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  •  (Electorally) Take. Them. DOWN. (4.00)
    That will clearly put the fear of God in the rest of the Vichy Dems on that committee -- if they don't already have that fear. The fact that they HAD to meet and come out publically to kill the filibuster showed that the White House had to do SOMEthing, or else their boy Sammy would have to wait a week or worse.

    Keep calling, but make your notes. THESE are the people who put Alito on the bench, and THESE are the Democrats who MUST. GO.

    •  Which ones? (none)
      Lieberman is a tempting target, because if he were to lose a primary the winner would still be favored to win in Democratic Conn.

      All the rest, to varying degrees (and this applies to Lieberman as well), taking them out in a primary risks losing the seat entirely.

      Who is willing to take that chance?

      If there is anything I have learned from Scooby Doo, it is that the only thing to fear is crooked real estate developers.

      by JakeC on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:21:02 AM PST

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      •  So how do we punish them? (none)
        If we don't run primary candidates against them, how do we punish them?

        Or are you suggesting that they're all doing fine and don't need punishment?

        •  It's amazing that the (none)
          anger expressed today is directed mostly at Democrats.

          Perhaps we ought to be thinking about how to get out of office the 54 GOP Senators who will ALL vote to shut off debate and allow Alito onto the court.

          Eating our own only helps the GOP.

          (-2.75,-4.77) "Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose." Senator Barack Obama

          by Sam I Am on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:48:23 AM PST

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        •  I am suggesting (none)
          that, maybe the reason they vote the way they do, is that they know it is the politically smart thing to do- that the base can't/won't take them out.

          It's tough in the Senate, with a six year term.  If these were House members, serving a two year term, a message can be sent - forget about a primary, Democrats could actually vote for the Republican- sure, that flips the seat for a term, but it's only two years, and it would be known that the winner is a very weak incumbent who only got the job as a protest vote against the Democrat.

          I am suggesting that there really is nothing to be done about some Senators- Nelson, for instance.  Others, you have to ask yourself- to punish this Senator, would you be willing to vote for a Republican?  And, if not, then, can you vote against him in a primary, knowing that if the incumbent is defeated it makes it more likely the Republicans win the general election?

          If there is anything I have learned from Scooby Doo, it is that the only thing to fear is crooked real estate developers.

          by JakeC on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 10:59:57 AM PST

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      •  All of them. (none)
        All the rest, to varying degrees (and this applies to Lieberman as well), taking them out in a primary risks losing the seat entirely.

        So what?

        Who is willing to take that chance?

        I am.

        Let's review:

        A known apologist for despotism is appointed to a lifetime position as one of the most powerful men in the world.

        The Democratic party has the power to stop this.

        If they refuse to do so, I fail to see what purpose there is in electing them.  If they will bend over for this, something this extreme, this dangerous, what will they not bend over for?

        -- E pur si muove.

        by asdfasdf on Mon Jan 30, 2006 at 11:02:18 AM PST

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