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  •  Has she come out (none)

    against the Flag Burning amendment after being for it?

    Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

    by praedor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 10:35:52 AM PST

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    •  No (none)
      She never favored the constitutional amendment, and still does not.  She favors a bill (S.1911) which prohibits the "burning or damaging" of the American flag provided it is used to incite violence (similar to cross burning laws).  Many Democrats, including liberals such as Sens. Boxer (D-Calif.), Leahy (D-Vt.), Simon (D-Ill.), and Mikulski (D-Md.), who co-sponsored the bill, voted for similar legislation in 1995.  Personally, I oppose such legislation, but this legislation is far, far better than the constitutional amendment.

      Today, the Court purports to be the dispassionate oracle of the law, unmoved by "natural sympathy." - Justice Blackmun, dissenting, DeShaney v. Winnebago County

      by jim bow on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:23:47 AM PST

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      •  THE problem with that (none)

        REGARDLESS of how you word it, is that it is wishy-washy and WILL (would) be used to squelch ANY burning of the flag under the excuse that it is inflammatory and incites violence.  You can ALWAYS find nutbags who will toss their coke and their fists at someone who burns their own personal, private-property flag as if it didn't belong to the person burning it.

        IT DOES squelch free speech.  Words to live by:  I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

        It applies to nasty nazis marching down a city street (inciting violence by their presence) AND to people who burn their frickin' flag.  NO wishy-washy elimination (by a thousand cuts) of free speech.

        It IS a pander law (and Amendment).  It is nothing BUT a cheap pander law that sacrifices a little more 1st Amendment for minor personal gain.

        Reichstag fire is to Hitler as 9/11 is to Bush

        by praedor on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:07:39 PM PST

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        •  I'm not saying ... (none)
          ... I support the flag legislation.  I'm just saying that many other Democrats, including liberal ones, supported similar legislation to what you are castigating Sen. Clinton for supporting.

          Today, the Court purports to be the dispassionate oracle of the law, unmoved by "natural sympathy." - Justice Blackmun, dissenting, DeShaney v. Winnebago County

          by jim bow on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 12:13:18 PM PST

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    •  I think (none)
      A candidate's position on flag-burning is way, way down on most people's priority lists when deciding who to vote for.

      She has a lot of positives, but her inability to express a simple statement regarding Iraq or her IWR vote is troubling. I'm still open, tho. It is two years until primary season, after all.

      "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

      by CaptUnderpants on Wed Feb 01, 2006 at 11:26:56 AM PST

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