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  •  Shriek! Shriek! We're all gunna die! (none)
    Let's all concentrate on the worst possible scenario.  Let's run screaming to our savior Bush so he can declare martial law and impose an iron will on us.  
    There is no reason to panic.  Jeez, even if a pandemic happens, what are you going to do about it?  If the absolute worse case scenario happens, civilization will not come to an end.  We will cope.  The human race will survive.  We are mortal.  We all die.  We are no different than frogs or trees or potatoes that have unfortunate confrontations with pathogens.  My grandfather lost his mother in the aftermath of the 1918 flu.  She nursed her whole family back to health but eventually died herself when she succombed to TB, presumably due to a weakened immune system.  My grandfather's sister died of rabies.  My grandfather's first daughter died of Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.  He'd seen enough death from infection to scar him for life but somehow, I never saw him panic over anything.  Learn to survive, be cautious, take care of yourself.  What good does panicking do?  Remember, if you are consumed by fear, it is harder to make rational decisions.  

    -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

    by goldberry on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 07:36:23 AM PST

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    •  You're Joking, Right? (4.00)
      Goldberry,
      Where do you see anybody panicking?  Revere and others are providing info so we can better understand what's going on.

      Think how weird this statement sounds: "There is no reason to panic.  Jeez, even if a pandemic happens, what are you going to do about it?  If the absolute worse case scenario happens, civilization will not come to an end..."  

      So, don't take precautions because civilization will continue?  Concede hundreds of thousands of avoidable deaths because in the past potatoes and pumpkins and humans ultimately survived the plague, etc.?  Then belittle someone for trying to understand the situation better.  Ask someone in New Orleans whether or not the Bush Gov't should have factored in a worst-case scenario.

      "Revere" is completely rational in helping us understand what precautions can be taken.  

      "Don't look back... something might be gaining on you..." -Satchel Paige.

      by npb7768 on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:09:29 AM PST

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      •  Hype (none)
        Panicking?  Maybe.  Hyping?  Definitely.  
        Don't get all self-righteous with me.  
        I have seen my own mother absolutley hysterical at the prospect of bird flu.  No matter how many times I tell her to get a grip, she won't stop hyperventilating about it.  I blame people who are hyping the worst case scenario.  And, no, I don't think we can prevent every epidemic, as hard as we might try.  There is some craziness in this society that believes that if you do everything just right, no harm will ever befall you.  Eat the right foods, until a new study tells you that overdosing on it may be harmful.  Don't let your children out of the house because predators may get them, but let them get fat and develop coronary artery disease from staying indoors all the time.  Scream that the governement is not protecting you from bird flu, even though the chances that you will die are very slim, even if the government did nothing.  
        What exactly do you propose we do about it?  And what makes you think for one minute that the Bushies are going to follow your advice?  You wanna ship all the sick people to some remote island?  Ok, so you may not die of bird flu from the afflicted but something else is going to get you in the end.  You can not prevent death.  Just repeat to yourself that your chances of dying from bird flu are remote.  
        This reminds me of the HIV panic of the 80s.  I can remember colleagues who should have known better wanting to shun people with AIDS and create special "colonies" for them.  It's just ridiculous.  
        It's a fricking FLU even if it turns out to be a particularly nasty one!  Use precautions against flu and reduce your chances of infection.  

        -3.63, -4.46 "Choose something like a star to stay your mind on- and be staid"

        by goldberry on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:37:45 AM PST

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        •  Take Sensible Precautions... (none)
          Panicking?  Maybe.  Hyping?  Definitely.  
          Don't get all self-righteous with me.  
          OKAY, MR WOUNDED BUFFALO...

          I have seen my own mother absolutley hysterical at the prospect of bird flu.  No matter how many times I tell her to get a grip, she won't stop hyperventilating about it.  
          JEEZ, SORRY ABOUT THAT.  

          I blame people who are hyping the worst case scenario.  
          (COUGH) NEW ORLEANS (COUGH).

          And, no, I don't think we can prevent every epidemic, as hard as we might try.  
          PREVENT? NO.  REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF AVOIDABLE DEATHS?  MAYBE, IF SIMPLE, SENSIBLE PRECAUTIONS ARE TAKEN, WHICH COMES FROM EDUCATING OURSELVES ON THE DISEASE.

          There is some craziness in this society that believes that if you do everything just right, no harm will ever befall you.  
          SEATBELTS DON'T PREVENT AUTO DEATHS, BUT THEY'RE UNDERSTOOD TO BE A SENSIBLE PRECAUTION THAT REDUCE FATALITIES.  SEE HOW IT WORKS?  

          Eat the right foods, until a new study tells you that overdosing on it may be harmful.  
          IS THAT YOU, ADMIRAL STOCKDALE?

           Don't let your children out of the house because predators may get them,
          I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE PERSON WHO SAYS THIS.  WHERE DO YOU LIVE, THE SERENGETI?

          but let them get fat and develop coronary artery disease from staying indoors all the time.
          TELL YOU WHAT-- WHY DON'T YOU SKYDIVE TO WORK EACH DAY.  NO??? THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU MAY GET INTO A CAR ACCIDENT AND DIE ANYWAY.  OH, I SEE, THE PROBABILITIES OF A DEATH WILL DECREASE IF YOU DRIVE TO WORK AND WEAR YOUR SEATBELT.

          Scream that the governement is not protecting you from bird flu, even though the chances that you will die are very slim, even if the government did nothing.  
          DO YOU BRUSH YOUR TEETH?  WHY??? THEY'RE GONNA FALL OUT EVENTUALLY ANYWAY?  MY GRANDFATHER LOST HIS TEETH AND NEEDED DENTURES, AND MY GREAT AUNT HAD A ROOT CANAL, AND A SECOND-COUSIN OF MINE HAD SIX CAVITIES... SO WHY BOTHER BRUSHING???  AND DO YOU FLOSS?  YOU DO??? WHY ARE YOU PANICKING ABOUT YOUR TEETH?  SEE?  YOU'VE EDUCATED YOURSELF, AND YOU'RE USING SENSIBLE PRECAUTIONS FOR YOUR TEETH, TO YOU REDUCE THE RISK OF A CATASTROPHIC DENTAL CONDITION IN YOUR MOUTH...  YOU MAY STILL GET CAVITIES, BUT YOU'VE EDUCATED YOURSELF ON TEETH CLEANING, AND REDUCED THE RISK OF A PROBLEM TREMEDOUSLY.

          What exactly do you propose we do about it?
          I'M LOOKING INTO WHAT SENSIBLE PRECAUTIONS TO TAKE TO INCREASE OUR ODDS OF AVOIDING A PROBLEM, WHY?  

           And what makes you think for one minute that the Bushies are going to follow your advice?
          THEY'RE NOT.

          You wanna ship all the sick people to some remote island?  
          NO, I DON'T WANNA.

          Ok, so you may not die of bird flu from the afflicted but something else is going to get you in the end.  You can not prevent death.  
          A BUS COULD HIT ME AS I CROSS THE STREET.

          Just repeat to yourself that your chances of dying from bird flu are remote.  

          This reminds me of the HIV panic of the 80s.  
          NO, IT DOESN'T.  IT'S SIMILAR IN THAT BOTH DISEASES WERE, OR COULD BE, CATASTROPHES BECAUSE OF IDIOTS LIKE YOU DISMISSING THE SERIOUSNESS OF IT.   IT'S ALSO SIMILAR IN THAT THE PUBLIC WAS NOT PROPERLY EDUCATED ON THE DISEASE-- ON HOW IT SPREADS, SIMPLE SENSIBLE PRECAUTIONS TO TAKE, ETC., UNTIL TENS UPON TENS OF THOUSANDS WERE DEAD.

          I can remember colleagues who should have known better wanting to shun people with AIDS and create special "colonies" for them.  
          YOUR COLLEAGUES WERE SICKOES.

          It's just ridiculous.  IT IS.

          It's a fricking FLU even if it turns out to be a particularly nasty one!  Use precautions against flu and reduce your chances of infection.  
          THANKS FOR THIS MEANINGLESS LAST COMMENT.

          "Don't look back... something might be gaining on you..." -Satchel Paige.

          by npb7768 on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 11:41:40 AM PST

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    •  Thank you (none)
      If we were prepared and prevented it we would have to find something else to be afraid of.

      Or we could just remain scared of the N5 strain since the "pandemic" did not show up ... and it's still out there.

      American Engineer :== loser!

      by jnmorgan on Fri Feb 03, 2006 at 08:11:37 AM PST

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