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  •  I disagree (4.00)
    Too many have a facile attitude toward free speech.  Every advance in history toward reason from faith/CW/sacred cows of all sorts involved offensive free speech.

    Easy to pay lip service to free speech.  Hard to stand with the blasphemers when it counts.  It counts now, and many liberals are loathe to upset anyone.  That's a fatal weakness.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

    by soyinkafan on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:03:27 PM PST

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    •  A minstrel show (4.00)
      Isn't an "advance in history toward reason," and neither were these cartoons.  It would behoove liberals to understand the difference between speaking truth to power and using speech to demonize the powerless.
      •  Powerless? too condescending (none)
        They are far from powerless, those who make hay from this.  It is right to denounce disgraceful offronts to Muslims.  But the tepid support for free speech is even more disturbing.  

        It would behoove liberals (and anyone)  to accommodate several truths at once.  

        Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

        by soyinkafan on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 01:47:05 PM PST

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        •  Whatever. (4.00)
          I'd really like to know where, exactly, this "tepid support for free speech" is in evidence among the left blogosphere.  No, really.  Who has called for government censorship?  I very much doubt anyone has.

          Fact is, freedom of speech is not in danger in Europre as a result of this little brouhaha.  The equality of Muslims in Europe is probably more precarious.  Given that, I think it's entirely appropriate to focus on the latter rather than recite easy, self-righteous, and self-evident bromides about the wonder of free speech.

          •  truth sans bromides to be found (none)
            here

            No, fortunately govt. censorship isn't being recommended, but self censorship sure has been.    The "it's OK as long as no one's given unforgivable offense" line worries me.

            Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice? -Al Gore

            by soyinkafan on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 02:27:09 PM PST

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    •  I think this is apropos... (none)
      John Stuart Mill said: "Strange it is, that men should admit the validity of the arguments for free discussion, but object to their being `pushed to an extreme'; not seeing that unless the reasons are good for an extreme case, they are not good for any case."

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