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  •  Do you have the exact quote (none)
    of Muhammad banning idolatry? I would be interested to see under what context was it spoken.
    •  Who gives a fuck what Muhammad (none)
      or any other myth "god" thinks...
      Reality please.
      •  Over one billion... (4.00)
        ...of your fellow human beings care.

        And for that matter, I do too, even though I'm not a Muslim.  Please sell your intolerance someplace else.

        •  it's you that's intolerant (none)
          i think religous folk, muslim, whatever have a right to be here....apparently, because I don't fucking care about what ancient myth figures have to say about my morals, i don't have a right to voice that or be here? Your more than welcome to debate my aethiest values, or to tell me to fuck off...but to tell me that i need to "go someplace else" is ironic.
          I'm not selling intolerance, science & data doesn't need to be sold, it just is.
          •  It isn't about you... (none)
            ...but have a modicum of respect for the beliefs of others.  I'm an atheist too.  But denigrating people for taking seriously the words of their Prophet is deeply wrong to me.  

            Some other posters were having a useful conversation about the rules of the hadith, and how those rules impact the laws of Muslim countries and affect the present circumstance.  Your comment was derogatory, added nothing to their dialogue, and would make any person who is a Muslim deeply uncomfortable.

            If you wish to refute religion, be my guest, although I doubt it will do you or anything much good.  But your comment doesn't refute religion.  Your comment tells people who do care about religion that they cannot talk about it in an open forum without having it denigrated by your opinion.  How wonderfully selfish of you.

            •  real intolerance (none)
              "Some other posters were having a useful conversation about the rules of the hadith, and how those rules impact the laws of Muslim countries and affect the present circumstance.  Your comment was derogatory, added nothing to their dialogue, and would make any person who is a Muslim deeply uncomfortable."

              I agree my comment was derogatory, and it didn't add to their specific dialogue. However, part of my point was too make uptight, religous folk uncomfortable...since, they think anyone who doesn't believe like they do are GOING TO HELL!

              http://islam.about.com/...
              http://dying.about.com/...

              Intolerance is violently protesting over cartoons, not being a smart ass blogger.

          •  Easy, easy....... (none)
            you can assert your rights without being belligerent toward the person you're talking to. I agree with you; I just think you oughta smooth out your feathers some. I know how you feel. That sort of thing infuriates me as well. But don't go burning this guy's embassy or his flag. Boycott his cheese if you must, I guess, but this discussion shouldn't be an invitation to a gunfight.

            Things fall apart-the center cannot hold...The best lack all conviction While the worst are full of passionate intensity (-9.25\-7.54)

            by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 05:57:28 PM PST

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            •  agreed (none)
              I guess after reading post after post of what's the prophet Muhammad think about this? Well, what does prophet Muhammad think about that? I just let my frustrations temporarily get the best of me.
              In person, i'm always very tolerant of others religous belifs...it's just from my experiences, that's usually not good enough for most really religous folks....they either think your going to hell, eventually feel the need to "convert" you in some way, or both.
              Whatever, my whole point being is that non religous folks extend themselves and go out of their way to make religous folks feel comfortable, while from my experiences anyway, it's RARELY recipricated...thus my venting statement "well who f***ing cares what Muhammad thinks."
        •  Well, the F-bomb (none)
          kinda detracted from the comment, but I have to agree with the intent......when people's religious sensibilities are offended, it's their problem, and if they take it and make it mine, then it becomes MY problem, and I will deal with it as appropriate within the civil law of the society in which I live. Which means if they do a Fred Phelps and scream at me about how I'm going to hell, I laugh, step around them or push them aside if necessary (like to get my woman into the abortion clinic), but if they show up outside my home with a can of gasoline and a torch, then I go outside and meet them.
          With a shotgun.

          Things fall apart-the center cannot hold...The best lack all conviction While the worst are full of passionate intensity (-9.25\-7.54)

          by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 05:54:27 PM PST

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          •  Okay, but... (none)
            ...you're conflating the actions of a few with all those who share the same basic framework of faith.

            If Fred Phelps shows up at your home with a can of gasoline, you'll meet him with a shotgun.  Would you extend that to a Russian Orthodox who has no beliefs in common with Mr. Phelps except that Jesus is the son of God?

            •  I hope I'm getting you.......... (none)
              but if Madalyn Murray O'Hair and/or Anton LaVey showed up at my house with a gascan and a torch, I'd meet them with a shotgun too. Only now, I gotta shoot 'em in the head, 'cuz I saw Dawn of the Dead, and that's the only way to take the Living Dead out.
              That goes for the Russian Orthodox too, or the Ba'hai, or the Scientologist, Thelemist, Santerian or wiccan, or anyone else who tries to burn my house down for any reason. I do not practice religious discrimination among those who try to do me harm. I defend myself by any means necessary. Including killing them if that is what the survival of my wife, my children or myself requires. Clear enough?
              There's a diary up about "pansy liberals." The diarist originally used a different word than "pansy", but it offended too many people, so he changed it. BTAIM, it's a good one.

              BTW, yours is a great diary. Recommended.

              Things fall apart-the center cannot hold...The best lack all conviction While the worst are full of passionate intensity (-9.25\-7.54)

              by kestrel9000 on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 06:59:03 PM PST

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      •  Mohammed was a prophet, not a God. (none)
    •  Idolatry (none)
       'Fight against the (the idolaters) until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme' (II.189 and VIII.40).

      And for some context:

      The Encyclopedia Americana International Edition, vol 16, pgs. 91-92


          Jihad, an Arabic word meaning "struggle." As a religious duty theoretically laid upon all followers of Mohammed, jihad is based on the concept that the Islamic faith, since it is of universal validity, must be spread to all mankind, by force of arms if necessary. In classical Islam, jihad was to be directed against "people of the Book" (that is, possessors of authoritative sacred writings, above all Jews and Christians) until they submitted to the political authority of Islam, and against idolaters until they became Muslims. Sufi mystics, however, often considered jihad as a spiritual struggle against the evil within the self.

      Call the world if you Please "The vale of Soul-making" Then you will find out the use of the world. - Keats

      by republican with a small r on Tue Feb 07, 2006 at 04:07:21 PM PST

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