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  •  I do believe the market will solve the problem (none)
    as it has before.  The price of hydrogen based solutions is dropping, and the price of petroleum based solutions is rising.  When they cross, there will be a change in technology.  Your engine will be retrofitted to burn hydrogen, and you will like it.  You will put some batteries under your back seat, your brakes and axles will be retrofitted with a motor/generator set, and life will proceed as before.

    Are you using the same computer you were ten years ago?  Of course not.  The technology advanced, and you bought another.

    Petroleum is an extraordinary resource, which we should not be wasting on fuel.  Hydrogen and the concomitant electrical solutions are just now getting online, no thanks to the Bush administration, which has decided to lay off alternative energy technologists.

    But rest assured,

    People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

    by BlaiseP on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:11:45 AM PST

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    •  What you say is true. But.... (none)
      The question is one of quantity. We are not close to being able to scale up any technology to generate even close to the amount of energy contained in the oil we use. That is the issue. It is a matter of running the numbers. Today's solutions are a bit like saying, "We loose a dime on every unit, but we make it up in quantity."

      Do not feel safe. The poet remembers.
      Czeslaw Milosz

      by Chris Kulczycki on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 07:28:18 AM PST

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      •  Huh? (none)
        Hydrogen is a workable solution, with a less-than-infinite price point.  No sooner has oil reached that price point than we will convert.  End of story.

        People are usually more convinced by reasons they discovered themselves than by those found by others.

        by BlaiseP on Thu Feb 09, 2006 at 10:12:06 AM PST

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    •  Where does the hydrogen come from? (none)

      Today it is largely made from natural gas and/or coal.  We cannot base a new transportation infrastructure on those two fossil fuels.  Natural gas is barely able to keep up with demand as it is.

      Hydrogen is best viewed as an energy carrier - kind of like a battery.  You need to put energy in in order to get Hydrgogen gas out.

      Vehicle retrofits are unlikely.  It is far easier to toss the thing and start from scratch.  Sucks if you own an older gas guzzler.  Part of the reason for this is simply that the scale of the problem is so huge that the only way that people can piece together any sort of an answer is to make great use of conservation.

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