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  •  hm, factual error in legistlation (4.00)
    "the fact that each human being is totally unique immediately at fertilization"

    That's false. Identical twins are formed when the embryo divides in two, often as late as 12 days after fertilization.

    As a result of this fact, the Catholic Church has determined that the soul does not enter the body for at least two weeks after conception.

    •  Are you serious? (none)
      About the Catholic Church? Do you recall where you saw this?
      •  no, sorry (none)
        I saw something recently arguing that the Catholic church couldn't consistently argue against the morning-after pill as causing an abortion, but I don't remember where it is.

        And I'm not a Catholic myself, so no, I hadn't read the encyclical where this position was apparently changed! Interesting! I may have to go look that up...

    •  The Church used to teach that (none)
      until Pio Nono.  You obviously haven't been paying attention to recent developments.
    •  And much rarer, but still very real case (none)
      of chimeric individuals, where two previously separate embryos join to make one. The resulting individuals have some organs of one genotype and other organs of another.
    •  Yeah (none)
      Can we get legislation overturned simply because it is scientifically invalid?

      While we're on the subject, I just wanted to point out something -- it is a scientific fact that life does not begin at conception.

      Life begins -- well, it began sometime in the far-distant past, under circumstances which have not been determined. Life is transmitted from one generation to the next. Living things beget other living things -- life almost never arises spontaneously from non-living things. (Although it happened once, obviously, or we wouldn't be here talking about it.)

      Conception is when a living cell from one body exchanges chemical information with a living cell from another body, then these living cells start creating new living cells, and so on, and eventually maybe you have a person. Or several people. At no time was anything NOT alive, or the whole process would be a non-starter.

      (Or, you'd be talking about creepy zombie babies, which is a different thing altogether.)

      The abortion issue has never been about when "life" begins -- it's about when personhood begins.

      Given that, there are two problems with the anti-abortion movement. One, is that I have a really hard time believing that something without a brain is a person. And I think you would have a hard time proving such personhood in court, if it ever came down to that.

      The second problem is that we are pretty darn sure that the woman who may choose an abortion is a person. To sublimate her rights to the rights of the fetus is to say, this collection of cells without a brain is a person, and you are not.

      And frankly, that pisses me off.

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