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  •  I loved the Dean (4.00)
    He was spot on in all his assessments, and I hope many Americans were watching, he stuck it. (Olympic slang )

    I do wish however he had stuck up for Hillary a little and nip that "angry Hillary" in the bud. He could have easily said something like when the democrats speak their  truth the republicans call it anger, but when a republican vice president tells a U.S. Senator to go f**k themselves on the floor of the Senate, well no big deal. When it comes to attacks from the right, I see no big deal in Dean defending our representatives and candidates, and his excuse was a bit lame.

    Overall  5.8..........  

    •  He did defend her (4.00)
      from my point of view.  He reiterated her point that Bush is one of the worst Presidents ever.  I took this as an implied support for her position and her strong feelings.

      Agreed, he could have pointed out how rethugs have a  huge double standard on the anger thing.  At some point it would be good to cite all the examples of their angry and unreasonable actions.

      But this time I think he just wanted to starve the "anger issue" of any oxygen, and took the time to reaffirm all the reasons why Hillary is right - Bush is one of the worst presidents ever.  And he supported Hillary by saying that what she said was correct, and he gave a scathing, short, concise list of Bush's failures.  Those quick lists of the incredibly damaging items on Bush's resume are really effective, IMO.

      If, instead, you engage in the "Repubs do this" countered by the "Dems do that" argument, it just turns into a pissing contest.  Same with the anger thing - would have turned into an unwinnable argument about emotions, I think.  Instead he strongly asserted facts that nobody could dispute.

      Hopefully Hillary feels that he did well by her.  I think he did, and helped the party too.  Even more importantly, perhaps, is that he nipped the problem in the bud by refusing, more than once, to engage the woman questioning him on the topic of her choosing - Hillary's anger.  Don't know the woman's name, but she wasn't a happy camper.  Made me smile.

      On Bush: "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." --(borrowed from) Churchill

      by joanneleon on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 09:24:01 AM PST

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      •  you make (none)
        a very good assessment joan, its good to have a different point of view.  I did think Dean was very articulate and rational in his analysis, and I am quite confident he is going to win us some elctions come November.
      •  Elizabeth Bumiller -NYTimes (4.00)
        White House Reporter was the woman "interviewing" Condi and Dean.  She is really more of a gossip and loooooves this President.
        "He's too busy to read past the headlines, " she said recently on "Hairball".  She is an apologist for insider Washington and this administration, so I was literally jumping up and down as Dean did not work with her FRAME of anger.  I absolutely agree that Dean did great by not falling into the Hilary bashing frame or anger frame, but stuck with our new mantra....Incompetence, Incompetence..Incomptence.  

        But I actually like a slightly different approach by taking  whatever they say and agree with them...  "Well, Hilary was just pointing out all the mistakes this adminstration has made and I think we should all be angry Elizabeth.  Aren't you angry about being lied to about WMD's?  Aren't you angry when you find out you might have been wiretapped?  Aren't you angry that the Vice President might have disclosed state secrets and outed a CIA operative and endangered national security? Aren't you angry when you find out that the administration knew 56 hours ahead of time how bad Katrina would be and did nothing?  If you're not angry, Elizabeth, why aren't you?"

        "America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand." Harry S. Truman

        by MontanaMaven on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 10:55:09 AM PST

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      •  Dean by neutralizing (none)
        the Hillary anger charge (which the Repubs use  of is strictly juvenile thinking to appeal to the lowest common denominator)defended a Democratic senator, part of his job.  He then used the situation to smash Bushie again, naturally.  In no way can anyone infer he is therefore behind her.  Dean is not at all like Hillary Clinton in his political philosophy combined with his practical politics.  

        Hillary Clinton is DLC like her husband, a hawk and closet imperalist.  She is supported like Bill Clinton and all the other tiresome Demo candidates for president by corporate special interests, and they call the tune the candidates play.

        Dean is revitalizing the Democatic Party at the county and central committee levels in all the states especially the south,much neglected by Kerry type Demos.  He says it will take years which is obvious because it is such a big job.  His work here is the superior contribution to American politics in an age.

        I'm Howard's special interest--you can be too.  Get on board!

        Howard Dean for President!

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