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  •  He was on his game... (none)
    today.  As I described in more detail above, his approach to the Cheney direction to Scooter to leak Plame's identity was PERFECT.  He took a chapter out of the Book of Rove--turn your opponent's perceived strength ("national security") into a weakness.

    Plus, you know that Dean's just getting warmed up on this issue.  More facts will inevitably come out, and he'll get more pointed (love the Aaron Burr comparisons) as they do.  He's doing EXACTLY what a party chair should do in an off-year campaign--help set the broad themes of the party's agenda.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:33:56 AM PST

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    •  Oy (none)
      Too much Kool-aid. Seriously.

      PERFECT? You've just lost ALL credibility with me.

      •  My wife was as impressed... (none)
        w/ Dean as I was today.  I see that others above were also impressed by his calling for Darth Cheney's departure.  I guess that there are a # of us kool-aid drinkers.

        BTW, while I don't buy your line of argument at all, I never blasted your credibility.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 01:39:59 PM PST

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        •  I'm blasting (none)
          your credibility because you can't even concede that he may have had some room for improvement. Perfect? Please.
          •  Perfect in delivery--obviously not.... (none)
            Perfect in content--yes.  BTW, I see that someone else on this thread called his handling of the HRC question (your main subtantive complaint) "perfection."  If I have no credibility, I wonder what you think of that poster.

            Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

            by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:31:33 PM PST

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            •  I just saw that the leading... (none)
              recommended diary at this moment took a position similar to mine.  I guess that you're questioning the credibility of dozens of posters on this site about now.

              Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

              by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:34:20 PM PST

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              •  Um (none)
                the leading diary explicitly mentions Dean's "Freudian slips" and states that Dean repeatedly asked for the president to step down.

                Don't try to gain credibility by pointing to a bunch of "other" people I'm supposedly questioning.

                If your interpretation of Howard Dean's performance is that it was perfect, then yes, I question your sensibilities and your judgment.

                •  Um, I just said above that... (none)
                  his delivery was obviously not perfect.  I stand by my belief that his content was as perfect as is humanly possible.  I also note that, as someone else suggested on the other thread, maybe the slips were deliberate.  Cheney IS the president on most issues that matter, and maybe Dean was trying to emphasize that point.

                  I also note that the RNC response, which is linked on the other thread, blasted Dean for his alleged "pessimism and wild-eyed rhetoric."  It didn't mention his misstatements.  Their "leader" can't string 3 coherent sentences together--they're not going to even try to make that issue.

                  Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

                  by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 05:01:59 PM PST

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                  •  Right (none)
                    you conceded the point after I questioned your credibility. If you had done it before I wouldn't have questioned your credibility.

                    I have no quibble with Dean's content, I was perfectly clear in my original comment that he content was fine.

                    It was his "slips" and lack of preparedness for the hillary question that bothered me most. And if his "slips" were intended, I'm thoroughly unimpressed. I think whoever proposed that such slips were some intentional strategy is really reading way too much into this.

            •  Stop deflecting (none)
              I don't have to go around getting into conversations with everyone on this topic just to remain credible. I'm having the discussion with you, not whoever thinks is handling of the HRC question was "perfect."

              But yes, if their interpretation of the performance is that it was perfect, I'd question their credibility. Hardly anything is perfect, ever, from anyone.

              And if all we expect from our leadership is for them to do what Dean did today, we're screwed.

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