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  •  Mehlman needs new spokespersons (4.00)
    And an updated edition of Roget's Thesaurus. He's become as predictable as the Detroit "Lions'" offense.

    Every Saturday, there's a new weekly roundup of Michigan politics here on Daily Kos.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:53:50 AM PST

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    •  The Lions' offense.. (4.00)
      or lack thereof was a product of that unabashed Bush supporter, Steve Mariucci. I can only hope that Bush meets the same fate as Mariucci, who was fired before the end of the season.

      Don't Panic - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

      by slatsg on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:25:43 PM PST

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      •  I'm so sick of Republicans in sports! (none)
        Thanks for informing me about Mariucci.

        Here's Scheer on Mariucci:

        http://www.alternet.org/...

        A liberal is a conservative who's been hugged. http://www.actblue.com/...

        by raatz on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:31:42 PM PST

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      •  Just like the Bush administration (4.00)
        People fall upward in the "Lions'" organization. During Matt Millen's tenure as president, the team compiled the worst record in the NFL. For that, Millen was rewarded with a contract extension.

        If Bush is fired before his term ends, he might wind up as Millen's successor. The "Lions" play a home game every Thanksgiving, so Bush could deliver a plastic turkey up to the VIP suites at Ford Field.

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        by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 12:49:09 PM PST

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      •  Coaches being conservative is the norm (none)
        Most millionaire pro athletes are republican. What's the big deal about one fired coach being republican. Shit, George Allen's kid is going to run as a republican for president. Lynn Swan is running for Governor of PA as a republican, Jim Bunting of Tiger and Phillies fame is a republican Senator, Joe Paterno is a famous Bush family friend. There are not many millionaire athletes who are liberal.
        •  Compared with Hollywood (none)
          Sure, athletes grow up in regimentation. It works for them, so many think it should work for others. Still, it is a surprise to see that a Yooper would be a Republican. If the Republicans had their way, the UP would be dead: no jobs, no infrastructure and pollution as far as the eye can see.

          I wish that Joe Pa would knock some sense into that W fellow. It must be embarrassing to be a friend of such an adolescent.

          BTW, it's Jim Bunning.

          Democrats: Giving you a government that works.

          by freelunch on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 02:47:46 PM PST

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        •  The paradox -- most pro athletes are Republicans, (4.00)
          while similarly rich people in the performing and creative arts are generally liberal.

          The reason -- most pro athletes are relatively stupid jocks who have been on a pedestal since junior high.

          BTW, when they get into politics, most remain stone stupid, e.g., Bunning, Allen, J.C. Watts, etc.

          Bill Bradley and Tom McMillen are rare exceptions to this rule.

          Those in the performing and creative arts generally have a good deal more brainpower than jocks. They're smarter, so they're liberal, even though it's not in their economic self-interest to be so.

          The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

          by devtob on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:02:28 PM PST

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          •  Well, fortunately (none)
            North Carolina has former pro athlete Heath Shuler running in NC-11 to take out "Chainsaw Charlie" Taylor.

            Maybe one or two functioning brains left in this state.

          •  They don't get it (4.00)

               Pro athletes' high salaries are mostly the product of their strong players' unions.

               Before the 1975 Peter Seitz decision, baseball players were bound to their teams -- they could not freely negotiate with other teams, even after their contracts ran out.

               The Seitz decision changed that, and the baseball players' union, suddenly armed with some leverage, was able to force baseball franchises to share the immense revenues they generated with the players -- and this led to the player-salary explosion.

               The same thing occurred in other sports. Ironically, the NFL has the weakest union, and many NFL players, after their careers end, have a very tough time making it.

               If you're labor, if you work for someone else, no matter your income, it's in your economic self-interest to be a Democrat.

               The Republican agenda will eventually result in a massive decrease in pro-athlete salaries, as owners will be better able to "hide" their revenues and players will have vastly less leverage as theur unions are stripped of power.

               

            Of course Republicans oppose abortion. If you kill them in the womb, they're not available to be killed on the battlefield.

            by Buzzer on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:35:51 PM PST

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          •  brainpower (none)
            They're smarter, so they're liberal, even though it's not in their economic self-interest to be so.
            I know what you're saying, but you're falling for Republican spin. It's in everyone's self-interest to be liberal. Even the top 2% at this point would likely prefer the prosperity of Clinton's economy to the failed Bush economy with its massive trade deficit and lousy employment numbers. Of course, the key, as you pointed out, is having the brainpower to realize that higher taxes in a robust economy ultimately trumps lower taxes in a failing economy.

            The Constitution may not be perfect, but it's a lot better than what we've got!

            by buddhistMonkey on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 03:52:16 PM PST

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          •  "most pro athletes are (none)
            relatively stupid jocks". Excuse me? As the son of a former pro athlete, and a former pro boxer myself, I guess I should feel insulted. I don't. My only point prior was to ask what the big deal was or point out only 1 pro coach being a Bush supporter when most of them are conservative by nature. However, I feel only sympathy for people who believe athletes are stupid, pampered people "since junior high school". Most athletes I know are of average intelligence, just like the rest of society. The only difference is they are stronger, bigger or faster than average, physically. They got that way from inherent genes, physical and mental toughness and incredibly harder physical and mental work than the rest of society. Don't show your own stupidity and bigotry by labeling athletes as stupid. Republicans are not stupid either, they are just wrong.
            •  Republicans can be "intelligent" (none)
              but very, rarely wise.
            •  "Most athletes I know are (none)
              of average intelligence"

              Maybe so, that must be why there are no scandals in "college" sports programs. All the athletes take the same rigorous academic course of study as nonathletes and get no special help.

              And the moon is made of green cheese.

              I responded to you without insults; try it sometime.

              The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

              by devtob on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 08:13:25 PM PST

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              •  you are making statements based on ignorance (none)
                of how college athletics works. the favoritism you reference occurs in a very small percentage of college programs, men's footbal and basketball. and even then only in those bigtime programs where a lot of money is involved. i promise you no one is trying to find coke and strippers to recruit a goalie for the girls field hockey team at montana state.

                "In fact, the President has a pre-1776 view of the world." -- Russ Feingold

                by hoodoo meat bucket on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 11:50:49 PM PST

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                •  More insults, but the fact is that (none)
                  in college, football and basketball are the only big college sports, and football especially seems to breed Republican candidates.

                  I am surprised to find that a few here think the favoritism shown to jocks throughout life is just swell.

                  BTW, Dick "Dick" Cheney was the captain of his high school football team, which no doubt helped get him into Yale, if not stay there. And he is the quintessential arrogant jock politician.

                  The Republicans want to cut YOUR Social Security benefits.

                  by devtob on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 05:05:39 AM PST

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          •  There are some really prominent ones who aren't (none)
            most notably Lance Armstrong.
          •  Seahawks receiver (none)
            There's also Steve Largent who is as big a fundamentalist loony as you can find in Congress. A little off topic, but the great Connie Mack for whom a little league baseball league is the grandfather and great-grandfather of GOP Congressmen. While he may not have been involved in politics, he sure sounds like a Republican:

            From Wikipedia:
            Mack was also tight-fisted. Seeing baseball as a business, he once confided that it was more profitable to have a team get off to a hot start, then ultimately finish fourth. "A team like that will draw well enough during the first part of the season to show a profit for the year, and you don't have to give the players raises when they don't win," he said. The most famous example of Mack's tight-fistedness came on July 10, 1932, when the Athletics played a one-game series with the Cleveland Indians. To save train fare, Mack only brought two pitchers. The starting pitcher was knocked out of the game in the first inning, leaving only knuckleballing relief pitcher Eddie Rommel. Rommel pitched 17 innings and gave up 33 hits, but won the game, 18-17.

            •  Connie Mack was the epitome (none)
              of a miser. After the Philadelphia A's would win a championship, he would bust up the team to save money. In fact, most Philadelphians were pro Phillies more than pro A's even though the Phillies historically stunk. (if I am not mistaken, Mack still holds the record for the most wins by any professional coach or manager). I think Mr. Mack had a lot to do with that. I remember the first time I went to see a game at Shibe Park, my father told me the only reason we were seeing an A's game was because he had a buddy who played for the A's and he got free tickets. Mack looked like he was going to a board meeting while he managed the team in the dugout. I really don't remember much of a fuss when the A's left town in '54 like it was when the Dodgers left Brooklyn.
          •  Why are most pro footballers Republicans? (none)
            A. They're rich, and

            B. They've taken a lot of blows to the head.

          •  Some of the major determining factors are (none)
            Who's around you and what's expected of you.

            Athletes are around other athletes, and people who stand out politically from the conservative norm get a lot of crap, from teams and from sports page readers.  (NBA is a relative exception, despite Charles Barkley.)

            Performers are around other performers, and unless they are action hero types will tend to be supported for taking liberal views and not for conservative ones.  Plus being around more open homosexuals tends to loosen one up a bit  (unless one is closeted oneself.)

            That's a cursory analysis, but it gets at some of the important points.

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            by Major Danby on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 06:18:04 PM PST

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