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  •  My "Journalism and the Law" professor (none)
    told me that she wanted to play "Dirty Laundry" in her classes.

    But, she said, most of the kids woudn't get it. After all, Don Henley is just some fat old has-been from an oldies group, never mind the message.

    •  Put together a slide show... (none)
      ...in PowerPoint or something, and have basic text with screenshots to illustrate the insanity of folks like O'Reilly (his invitation to bomb the Coit tower) or Coulter (her crap about killing Justice Stevens), and definitely include Terry Schiavo and a headline re: the emergency Congressional session timed for the "is the head dead yet" part of the song.

      Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
        Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
      Tempest even in reason's seat.

      by GreyHawk on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 07:37:40 PM PST

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      •  Those kids still wouldn't get it. (none)
        They all wanted to be sports or entertainment reporters. Or TV reporters, which amounts to the same thing.

        None of them read newspapers themselves, unless it was required for class. How's THAT for irony?

        And they all grew up on tabloid TV. Writing papers about first amendment issues or colonial printers who were jailed for opposing the Brits just bored them to tears. They wouldn't have been there if it hadn't been a required course.

        No sense of mission or calling. No sense of responsibility about the traditional role of the fourth estate. Just a desire to become famous and associate with famous people.

        I had too much wine with dinner, so if I sound a little cynical, please forgive me.

        •  Well...at least you know (none)
          what a true journalist should be.

          I'll be looking forward to your stuff.

          ;)

          Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
            Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
          Tempest even in reason's seat.

          by GreyHawk on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 07:49:39 PM PST

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        •  an obese gym instructor (4.00)
          a corrupt cop
          an ignorant educator
          an indifferent nurse
          a profligate conservative
          an incurious journalist

          "everything is the opposite of what it shall be"

        •  Look who's talking (none)
          You're insulting the same demographic which is overwhelmingly liberal and who voted heavily for Kerry against Bush (those who voted).  Maybe you should take your holier than thou attitude and shove  it up your ass.  I agree that young people are disconnected and too many are not paying attention, but it's not us who are fucking things up.  It's all the forty-something white morons who think they deserve a tax cut, and ra-ra Bush and his wars, knowing full well they won't have to fight them.  

          People of all ages are more or less equally stupid, but at least those in the 18-30 demographic actually vote for something good when they deign to step into the voter's booth.  

          In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

          by Asak on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 02:07:00 AM PST

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          •  You can't generalize (none)
            either way.

            A large percentage of the 16 - 25's where I live are wingnut fundie hate-spewing automatons...they're being bred, through home-schooling with a Bob Jones University curriculum package, social isolation, and brainwashing to be good little straight-Rethug voters.

            "Above all, do not question the Holy RNC."

            It's a very disturbing trend.

          •  I was insulting no one. (none)
            I was speaking about the kids in my Journalism and the Law class. Were you there? Did I miss you somehow in the discussion?

            Maybe you should take your holier than thou attitude and shove  it up your ass.

            Nice. Such maturity. You sure convinced me.

            I agree that young people are disconnected and too many are not paying attention

            Then what the hell is your beef? I wasn't even casting as wide a net as you.

            but it's not us who are fucking things up.  It's all the forty-something white morons

            Read it again, hothead. How do you presume to know my age and what racial group I belong to? You're the one who is generalizing.

            Maybe --to take a page out of your book-- you should grow up.

            Cheers. Have a pleasant night.

    •  Nope, not fat (none)
      I saw the Eagles a few months ago and they were as good as ever.  Plus, when launching into "Dirty Laundry", Henley dedicated it to Nancy Grace.  I also saw tape of him dedicating it to Rita Cosby.  Totally awesome.

      As for your professor's idea, I think she's giving up too easily.  A song with a message is still a song with a message, regardless of the messenger.  (Although I think the messenger, in this case, rocks.)

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." ~Carly Simon

      by Nancy in LA on Sun Feb 12, 2006 at 07:50:27 PM PST

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      •  You won't hear any argument from me (none)
        on that count.

        I played that song a lot as an antidote to what I heard on NPR on my way to classes each morning.

        You have no idea (well, maybe you do!) of how cleansing it felt to sing "We all know that crap is king!" at the top of my lungs during the hour-long drive after having to listen to Barbara Bradley Haggerty apoligize for the Jeebofascists at the top of the hour, or on the way home after hearing a classmate quote Chris Wallace to bolster an argument on the role of the press in wartime.

    •  This is such utter bullshit (none)
      More of them would understand it than you think.  You should tell your former professor that she should just retire if she is so burned out that she isn't even going to try to reach out to anyone anymore.  I'm sure it's a hell of a lot easier to just throw in the towel than attempt to make a difference.  It's also easier to justify your own apathy rather than accept it.  

      If you want to get a message across to people, you need to inspire people to get it.  Not just expect them to get it on their own, or otherwise just give up.  

      Look who the people writing the articles are today...they're not today's young people, they are the yuppie trash whose first political experience was under Reagan in the 80s.  Today most of those in college were reared in the 90s with Clinton as President, and with greater acceptance for homosexuals, etc.  Blame the right demographic, it's not current college students who have made the media such a piece of shit.  

      In Britain they admit to having royalty. In the United States we pretend we don't have any, and then we elect them president.

      by Asak on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 02:13:17 AM PST

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      •  Just a tad defensive, aren't we? (none)
        Blame the right demographic, it's not current college students who have made the media such a piece of shit.

        No one said that, except maybe you.

        I'm talking about playing a pop song in a college class.

        A class that you were not enrolled in. Full of students you never met. Who hadn't graduated and had yet to snag jobs. So how could I blame them for making the media "such a piece of shit"? I didn't make that accusation -- you did.

        Sheesh. Maybe you should get that chip off your shoulder before you start projecting your insecurities onto others.

        Pleasant dreams.

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