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  •  I wouldn't be surprised if Ledeen was a go-between (none)
    But do you have evidence?

    Recall that Alexandrovna earlier reported on Ledeen's involvement with OSP.

    This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

    by emptywheel on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 11:27:40 AM PST

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    •  Yes, I'd like to see the Ledeen angle fleshed out (none)
      Oh, and while we're at it, where did this Alexandrovna report appear?
    •  Ledeen heavily favored in Jerome Corsi's (none)
      book "Atomic Iran", which is saying Iran is an evil empire and is a danger to Israel and must be crushed and soon. I'm trying to valiantly wade through it to see what the true evil empire( Ledeen and friends) is up to, but it's tough!
          Extra credit to those reading this who remember Corsi as the co-author of the Swift Boat veterans for the truth book that was the basis of the campaign against Kerry. They already have blood on their hands.
          The other morning had Corsi on Washington Journal /Cspan arguing against peak oil theories with an economics expert. Corsi's rebutal's were based on his beliefs in a theory that oil is a limitless commodity and is spiraled out of the center of the earth where it's ..hiding. Jeepers. I commented back then around the first of Feb, and it's probably on the cspan site. Corsi's and Ledeen's credibility ...not much.
         

      Somebody, do something, I got kids I care about, fer crying out loud!

      by KenBee on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 02:13:48 PM PST

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      •  Egad (none)
        That does sound bleak. Please post a diary when you're done, so you can share your hard work.

        This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

        by emptywheel on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 02:55:52 PM PST

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      •  Here is some good background info.... (none)
        from "The Terrorism Industry" published in 1989:

        Michael Ledeen has long been associated with CSIS [Center for Strategic and International Studies] and was one of the founding organizers of JINSA [The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs]. During the Reagan years, Ledeen moved into the higher circles of power, serving as Secretary of State Haig's advisor and agent in Italy, as a consultant on terrorism, and playing a role in both the Bulgarian connection case and the Iran-contra affair.

        [recently Ledeen has served as Karl Rove's key foreign policy advisor and has been described as "Rove's brain"]

        <snip>

        During the 1970s, he worked as a journalist in Italy with Il Giornale Nuovo, a right-wing newspaper reputedly controlled by the CIA [2]. During this Italian stint he collaborated regularly with Claire Sterling in anticommunist propaganda closely tied to ongoing U.S. interventionist strategies [3]. In 1980 he entered into a collaboration with Francesco Pazienza, an agent of the Italian secret service (SISMI) and a member of Rome's extreme right-wing Masonic Lodge, P2 (Propaganda Due), headed by the fascist Licio Gelli. In an Italian criminal court in 1985, Pazienza was judged guilty of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses. Indeed, according to the findings of the court, Pazienza falsified information about the Bologna bombing in order to divert attention away from the real (right-wing) terrorists who had staged the attack. Ledeen is identified in the court documents as an agent of SISMI, possibly placed on their payroll by Pazienza himself. Ledeen collected money for his services to SISMI, which included "risk assessment," the training of Italian intelligence agents, and providing reports on terrorism to the Italian government [4].

        Pazienza and Ledeen worked together in the so-called Billygate affair during the 1980 presidential campaign, luring Jimmy Carter's brother into a compromising relationship with Qaddafi (this according to prosecuting Judge Domenico Sica). During the Reagan transition, to quote Italian police official Umberto d'Amato, "there was an interregnum during which relations between Italy and the United States
        were carried on in the persons of the duo Pazienza-Ledeen" [5]. Later, the pair were important participants in the creation of the Bulgarian plot to kill the pope, a story that succeeded in gulling most of the major media in the West.

        Ledeen has moved within the power structure and between Western governments according to opportunity, for personal advantage and perhaps also in pursuit of political ends that are not entirely clear. Although serving as a loyal agent of the U.S. state in Italy in the 1970s, his service in the Billygate affair was to the Republican Party. He was on the payroll of the Italian secret service agency SISMI in the early 1980s, but his manipulations in Italy caused the
        new head of SISMI to declare before Parliament in 1984 that Ledeen was an "intriguer" and unwelcome in Italy [6]. His attachment to Israel, reflected in his JINSA connection, may have influenced his pursuit of the hostage deal with Iran (Israel favored such a transaction), and his former boss in the Pentagon, Noel Koch, asserts that while Ledeen was in Italy the CIA station chief there took him to be "an agent of
        influence of a foreign government" [7].

        In articles written for Commentary and the New Republic, Ledeen argued in favor of U.S. support for right-wing terrorists ("resistance forces")

        <snip>

        Ledeen's writings on terrorism, as exemplified by the examples above, are intellectually negligible and entirely opportunistic [10]. His
        superior in the government, Noel Koch, who hired him as an expert consultant on terrorism at the urging of Reagan officials, described his work on the subject as "transparent crap." Not only did the head of SISMI denounce him as an intriguer, but the authors of the Tower Commission Report concluded that the CIA should permanently terminate its relationship with Ledeen and his associate, Ghorbanifar. All of
        this, however, has not interfered with his status as a terrorism expert for the U.S. mass media. His connections are still potent, the right-wing and Israeli lobby are fond of him, he is glib and his "transparent crap" is therefore acceptable.

        •   Salt on his tail! (none)
          Thanks for that link! "Intriguer". That's rich.
             It's so difficult to talk about Israel here or anywhere else sane. It might need a moderated thread or some way of exchange or restricted carefully defined language so that the whole thing doesn't break down into flame wars...o wait, that's  a metaphor for the problem isn't it...hmmmm

          Somebody, do something, I got kids I care about, fer crying out loud!

          by KenBee on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 08:38:13 PM PST

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          •  I've been thinking the same thing.... (none)
            though Ledeen I'm sure is not representative of all Israelis.  

            I'm sorry for linking to a site with anti-Semitic comments attached to the blog post.  I was interested in the passage from the book, but not the context in which it may have been intended.

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