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  •  Check out Firedoglake. (4.00)
    They think he had to be standing closer. I'm not a hunter, though, and I know nothing about guns.

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    by modchick65 on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 12:19:05 PM PST

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    •  It really depends. (4.00)
      There are so many unknowns at this time that saying the victim was further or closer than 30 yards is speculation, but I'll add my own for kicks.

      Open choked = wider opening at end of gun = pellets spread out faster.
      Closed choked= narrower opening = pellets stay together longer.

      One of the main things we don't know is the choke of the gun. A open choked 28G shotgun at 30 yards filled with 8-shot would have pretty wide dispersal pattern. A direct hit at this distance would cause serious injury and the victim would get hit by lots of pellets over a pretty large area. A closed choke would have created a much smaller dispersion pattern at that distance and direct hit would be pretty violent even with a 28G.

      Another thing we don't know is the strength of the charge, aka load. That is, the amount of powder in the shells. Because quail are small birds and they fly very fast, it is quite common to use a relatively weak load and an open choke. You want to shoot ASAP, but you don't want all the pellets hitting the bird and mangling the meat. You also typically don't want a really powerful load for the same reasons. A single pellet or two is sufficient to down a quail.

      So adding to the pure speculation, I think the victim may have received a direct hit with a weak load, 28G gun with an open choke at 30 yards. Uranius Pelican at firedoglake said it much better than I.

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      by Espumoso on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 01:17:04 PM PST

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