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  •  I agree with Lou (4.00)
    Of course this is a story and we should be used to not getting timely facts from this administration, never mind the truth. Yet I would be much more interested in seeing the press ask questions about other pending issues and there are so many. But I wonder, if there is a lawsuit, are you and I going to have to pay this millionaire a few million $ from our taxes? And I wonder, was this a reason he had so many deferments during Vietnam, they already knew he couldn't shoot straight?
    •  For our own selfish reasons, though (4.00)
      this is the right story to focus on.  This is mundane, and just mysterious enough to catch the attention of the people in the country.  If it can turn out to reflect poorly on Cheney, it could help us in all sorts of ways to get things resolved that Lou is talking about. Well at least help us to make small steps in that direction.

      The weaker Cheney looks, the weaker Bush looks, the weaker the Republicans look, the stronger we look, and the more apt we are to have some influence on the things happening in this country.  

      It is slow going, but it's a tangled web we weave.

      •  Key word is mysterious (none)
        Could we have passed incompetent, sleazy, corrupt, bizarre and now headed to mysterious? Might have a point there.
      •  It also focuses on privilege (4.00)
        which is one thing that the repubs don't want anyone in red states thinking about. If a normal guy in texas accidently shoots someone while hunting, he's in trouble and he knows it. At the very least he's dragged in and questioned, given a drug test and an alcohol test and inconvienced big time. At the worst he's sued. Now cheney gets off without even an interview. His buddy in the white house stonewalls it, too. How does that look to the normal hunter? The one who wants to have a beer with bush because he's a normal guy?  

        This isn't good for them at all. It puts a big hole in the "we're normal Amurkins jest like you" theme that they've been living on for 5 years now. We should also get as much info out about the pheasant hunting in 2003 and about the canned hunting of quail in this case if it's true.  That's a big no no for normal hunters as well.  I think this is kind of important.

        "We ought never to do wrong when people are looking." Twain

        by dougymi on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:00:39 PM PST

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    •  Especially with the other news (4.00)
      This is the kind of story that will end up resonating according to people's pre-established beliefs. Even if we find a violation of some law, Bush supporters will interpret it as a legalistic and exceptional application of the law. No matter how egregious it seems to us (like Bush's service record) they can explain it away, because it can be reduced to a "he said, she said" take on what it is proper to do.

      Contrast this with some of the other news about the criticism in the Republican Katrina report, the CIA operative confirming the selective use of intelligence, and the British torture video. Those are stories that, because of their nature and sources, will be very hard for the right to dismiss, and build on the erosion of confidence in Bush. I say don't crowd those stories out with this one (but don't ignore this one either -- especially the White House role in hiding the story).

      With scandal fatigue, it is important to hit those themes that are going to make impeachment more generally acceptable. In my opinion, few will decide to impeach Bush because Cheney shot someone.

      •  With all those other stories going on (none)
        It's just a bit excessive that Cheney should be forced into shooting a 78 year old man to act as a distraction.
      •  It won't be a legal infraction. (none)
        Nobody will really care that Cheney didn't have the right stamp on his license. Yeah, sure, he should have, but he's the VP of the US, for heaven's sakes, you don't think he handles things like that himself, do you? Some underling goofed. Big shrug.

        What will resonate are:

        1. the violation of hunting safety rules, which is going to be way more obvious to red-state gun owner NRA types than to most of us.

        2. the totally dumb attempt to cover it up.

        3. the inevitable suspicion that Cheney was drunk, and that's why they tried a coverup.

        So forget about the license stamp. But I think this is going to hurt them more than we first thought.

        Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is. - TNH

        by Canadian Reader on Mon Feb 13, 2006 at 06:28:10 PM PST

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