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  •  Aw, come on. (4.00)
    It was only a "minor heartattack."

    "Lies, lies, lies, ye-ah... they're going to get you." --The Thompson Twins

    by modchick65 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:39:12 AM PST

    •  The White House says it's the victim's fault... (4.00)
      He did eat a pastrami sandwich once, and he should have known better than to have lived to be 78.
    •  Well, sure for Cheney no big deal. (none)
      But this guy might not be a walking cardiac issue. ;)
      •  Right. (4.00)
        For Cheney, a minor heart attack is called "Thursday".

        Cheney: "What's the big deal? Hell, I can do a minor heart attack standing on one leg singing the fucking Star Spangled Banner!"

        "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

        by RonV on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:49:46 AM PST

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    •  Better Than a MINOR DEATH! (none)
    •  Reminds me of "Dave". (4.00)
      "The President suffered a minor circulatory problem of the head."

      Translation:  Massive stroke.

    •  No!! This can't be!!!! (none)
      Yesterday his condition was "Very Stable".  I'd never heard of that condition before. I think "Dead" could be considered "Very Stable"!!

      Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse...

      by reflectionsv37 on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 10:58:35 AM PST

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    •  "Minor heart attack" reminds me of (none)
      "kind of pregnant."

      You either are...or you aren't.

      •  Not really (none)
        Haven't you heard the terms "massive heart attack" and "silent heart attack"?

        It basically has to do with how much of the heart died.  A blockage of a small vessel kills a small part of the heart muscle. Can be so small ("minor") the victim doesn't really notice it ("silent"), but lives on with perhaps inexplicable fatigue, shortness of breath. Complete occlusion of a major artery can destroy, for example, the entire left ventricle (main pumping chamber).  That would be "massive."

        Doesn't mean that "minor" is insignificant, however.

        •  to a 78 year old there is no minor heart (none)
          •  Agree (none)
            No argument from me!  See my post below.

            I'm just saying there is such a medical term as "minor" -- but it refers to the size (area, cubic millimeters, etc.) of heart muscle destroyed -- doesn't mean "no big deal."

          •  I agree (none)
            At his age, any sort of injury to the vital organs is serious, I would think. I remember clearly my parents's doctors always reminding me of my parents' ages when they were undergoing surgery or having other complications from illnesses. They would invariably mention age as a factor. And I always thought any damage to the heart was serious even if the guy ends up living a long life after this incident. I would guess he would need a lot of monitoring and much follow up probably for the rest of his life due to this damage being done right now from the gunshot.

            Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. - Harry S. Truman

            by wishingwell on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 02:37:14 PM PST

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    •  Dr. Cathleen London, interviewed on FOX (none)
      shot the 'minor heart attack' line down...TWICE today...she said, "A heart attack is a heart attack...part of the heart died"  The talking head on FOX was speechless...London was relentless...I'm sending her a card...via regular mail...for being so frank with FOX and slowing their spin.

      Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right

      by darthstar on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 11:48:00 AM PST

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      •  Good for her (none)
        In my post above, I said there is such a thing as a "minor heart attack" -- but Dr. London is right to reject this terminology in speaking to Fox.

        Because in medical terms, it means "small" or "lesser" -- in the sense that a relatively small area of heart muscle has died (not the whole heart or a whole structure within the heart, which would be "major").

        But "minor" does not mean "insignificant", "inconsequential" or "harmless."

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