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  •  It actually would offend me a lot if the (4.00)
    reaction to these photos is milder than the reaction to the Danish cartoons.

    At bottom, I think that even devout Muslims must realize that the cartoonists don't know enough about their religion even to blaspheme in any meaningful way.

    But every human being on this earth must realize that whatever is going on in the photo with the small child in it is despicable beyond belief and a depraved crime under any moral code.

    How could someone throw kerosene bombs at a harmless embassy and just shrug off the photo of that child?

    On the other hand, I also hope that somehow there is a G-d who will help us all see that more cruelty will just create more innocent victims, not undo what has been done to the people pictured here.

    •  What child? (none)
      I may be missing it, but I don't see any children in these photos.
      •  I think the guy on the right in photo 10 (none)
        (with the person sitting down facing away from us) is a boy of about 10 or 11. To me, the person facing away looks like a woman, but I guess it's hard to tell.
        •  Jesus. (none)
          I think you're right. Fuck.
          •  note well re: women and children (4.00)
            If you are talking about the picture where a foursome of naked prisoners are made to sit, two facing the wall and two sort of squatting opon their shoulders, you are incorrect about it being women or young childern that are facing the wall.  The details of this particular photo are already known and formed the basis of several trials already.  Again, I refer people to the HARPER's article, FEB 2006 by JoAnn Wypijewski.  

            But it is known that some video of a young boy being raped by Iraqi guards is among the documents sought by the ACLU in thier suit.  So yes, there is lots of sickening stuff still unseen.

            And, space permitting I'd like to quote comedian Bill Hicks about the disparity about people getting upset about innocent women and children suffering.  "Either you love ALL of humanity, or  you don't."  Does it really matter the age or sex of someone being tortured?  

            •  Realistically, no (none)
              Symbolically, yes.

              Remember what photo turned much of the country against Vietnam - a little girl, running naked from her burning village.

            •  He means (none)
              the guy standing on the right, not the persons facing the wall. That guy looks like a kid to me.
              •  the one standing on the right (none)
                is a child, and it looks as if the one seated behind him is also a child. the one seated behind the man on the left looks like it could be a woman. i wonder if this is a family???? i wonder if they made the one with rapeist written on the thigh do something to the guys family???
                •  Yes, the one with "rapest" on the (none)
                  leg.

                  Is the soldier we see the woman who got courtmartialed over all of this? If so, I think the person standing facing her, on our right, seems to be a lot shorter than she is and therefore might be a child.

                  If the person who is talking about the 4-prisoner photo is thinking of that photo, then I'm sure the commenter is right and I'm wrong, but I'm not sure s/he is thinking about the same photo.

        •  not that it matters (none)
          but i think that's a man, i can see stubble on his chin
        •  there's hair betweeen umbilicus and pubis (none)
          secondary sex characteristics.  less hair on chest, but could be as old as 16-20 years of age.  not that that makes any of this any better.

          "Never separate the words you speak from the life you live" - Paul Wellstone

          by vome minnesota on Tue Feb 14, 2006 at 06:01:36 PM PST

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    •  I have to agree (none)
      If a whole community can turn to rioting over some fairly mild (though still idiotic) satire, I would expect at least the same over genuine atrocities being committed.
    •  i dont think we'll see a lot (none)
      I don't think we're going to see a lot of protests that make the news. They already held rallies, against the war, against Guantanamo, and against the Quran being flushed, and the US government demonstrated that they don't care more than words. They locked Grainer up, investigated and said that "no soldier reported any flushing of Qurans" (despite the numerous accusations), and Bush said "We do not torture."

      Muslims know they're not going to get Bush to apologize or change his ways. This may have been the 5th straw to the pile that broke the camel's back once he already collapsed from the first 3. Bush will say they're not his, he punished Grainer (but not those in charge), he is against torture.

      This is much worse than the Danish cartoons. Sexual abuse and humiliation a fate worse than death, for so many people out there. People died in Abu Ghraib, and the US has now given an excuse for countries like Egypt and Syria to torture, as they literally said "America does it." Will we see a protest? Protesting was and is to send a message. Bush decided to ignore about 5 years of them so far, so I sense people will give up.

      I'm worried what repercussions this will have. One of the London suicide bombers was supposedly all shook up and anti-British because he heard the US flushed Qurans in Guantanamo, and refused to stop torturing people. This stuff generates sympathy for terrorists. The same way some Americans cheered on the Abu Ghraib abuse because it was "getting back at the Arabs for beheading people," this will make drive some people away from helping us, and we do need their help.

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