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  •  Ever heard of a... (none)
    ...straw man?  Well, you can follow one if you wish, I prefer to follow Ghandi.  I have not suggested the instigation of violence.  Quite the contrary I have suggested civil disobedience.

    It is long overdue.  People are dying every day.  Even more are suffering horribly and yet more are having their lives destroyed.  Right now, while you read this post.

    Those who will not put themselves in harm's way to stop it are by default condoning it.  Remeber Bush's little blessing?  "You are with us or you are against us".  It is time more than a few of you showed you were against him.  The only way you can effectively do that is to put yourself in harm's way.

    You think Fitzgerald doesn't know the risk he is taking?  The other whistle blowers and opposers?  There a small legion of them but not enough.

    You all (by which I mean most of course) seem to be waiting for someone else to raise their head, risk their neck.  In the meantime people die by the thousands.

    I would say there are a lot of people besides me that are pissed.

    As for the troll rating, ha!  I got enough of those.  I also got a few fours.  Enough to show that what I had to say had value.  Those that couldn't see it are not much better (and may be) Bush's enablers.

    At least you had the courtesy for dialog.  But if you are going to have dialog you should not try to censor the other side.

    Today is (I think) the first time I have rated and commented.  I feel it should be either one or the other.

    Oh, and it is quite likely that I was reading the words of the Dalai Lama before you were born (the last one of course).  This one seems to be a major improvement.

    Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae. Economic Left/Right: -3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

    by Truckle on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 02:44:47 AM PST

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    •  Well... (none)
      "I am advocating placing yourself in a position where they must perform violence on you to pursue their aims."

      SOUNDS like looking to instigate violence.

      •  Not at all... (none)
        All violence is a dangerous practice and to be abhorred but the state rules (when it fails to govern) by having a legal monopoly on violence.  Without even considering the morality of it if you play that game you lose.  That is their turf.

        What you can do is get so much in the way that you make it very expensive, embarassing and generally difficult to achieve their aims.

        I am not talking about inciting a riot.  Do that and you lose.

        But how can people be concerned with their jobs, risk of arrest, etc. when people are dieing en mass daily?

        Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae. Economic Left/Right: -3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

        by Truckle on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 06:42:04 AM PST

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    •  asdf (3.00)
      If the only point of putting oneself in harm's way is to that you can turn around and harass people on blogs, it sounds like a pretty pointless enterprise to me.

      You yourself have done nothing more here than the commenters you aim to insult, except to issue commands and name-drop Ghandi and the Dalai Lama.

      Put yourself in harm's way? To what end? When? Where? How? If you've got some suggestions in that department that are more productive than, say, laying down on a railroad track, then post them. Until you do that, you're just blowing hot air with the rest of us.

      Check out The Flypaper Theory, a group blog in Memphis, Tennessee

      by autoegocrat on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 04:52:08 AM PST

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    •  May I ask (none)
      what you are doing to "put yourself on the railroad tracks" as you put it?  You say that you did your part by standing up to the draft in the 1970s, and while I respect that, does that somehow negate an obligation to do something now?

      I think many of the people who were angered by your original comment might have been more willing to listen if you'd said, "Instead of just posting on a blog, you (or better yet, 'we') shohuld do X, Y, and Z."

      •  If you wish. (none)
        I didn't stand up to the draft.  I went in.  I am not in law a pacifist because I believe in the right of self defence.  So, I went in and told them what I was likely to do with their wepons, well it is a long story.  But no one can call me a draft dodger or that I merely fought the draft.

        As for now.  I'm old, sick and tired and have dependants but even so, if my country were in as bad a pickle as yours I most certainly would do something.  But it isn't yet.  Quite.  It may still turn rom the dark side or be turned by the light of day.

        WRT to your last paragraph.  Due to your laws and mine any specific suggestion I might make could be taken as incitement, so I best not make any.

        Truckle the Uncivil, Nullus Anxietas Sanguinae. Economic Left/Right: -3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.00

        by Truckle on Wed Feb 15, 2006 at 09:28:06 AM PST

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