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  •  Are we at war? (3.50)
    We're technically "at war", which grants them even more power.
    Actually, we are technically NOT at war.  Congress has not declared war.

    I have advocated that Congress declare war or demand the executive branch stop using war as an excuse for everything under the sun.

    •  Not at war, on purpose (none)
      Congressman Ron Paul, libertarian, offered a resolution declaring war, and Hastert blocked it from being considered.  We are not at war, on purpose.
      •  Yes (none)
        Yup.  Much more convenient for them to keep saying we are at war and need to sacrifice all these civil liberties, but not actually declare it.

        Declaring it might actually mean we have to put the war in the budget, and we can't do that, it would make the numbers look even worse.

        These congresscriters are just playing "leader".

        •  I remember during Viet Nam (none)
          That peace protesters kept saying, "The 'war' in Viet Nam" and those who were trying to discredit the protesters kept saying, "It is an 'armed conflict' in Viet Nam.  Congress never declared war."  

          I find it odd that these days, those definitions are now reversed.  Not that it will change anything.  Just an odd reversal of roles.

          Just because a person has faith doesn't mean that he isn't full of crap.-- Pastordan

          by Maggie Mae on Thu Feb 16, 2006 at 08:09:22 AM PST

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          •  So let's call it what it is: an invasion. (4.00)
            "The Invasion of Iraq."

            It has a nice ring to it.  We don't like to be invaders, generally.

            •  That the term I always use (none)
              and it really grates on the nerves of Goopers, because there's no getting around that bald fact.
              •  I usually use the term (none)
                Invasion, also.  But this goes beyond Iraq. Afghanistan wasn't a declared war, either.   It's also the "War on Terror."  I don't remember congress declaring war on that particular emotion, much less the act of Terroism, yet, we say it all the time.  Isn't it all supposded to be about the framing?

                Don't mind me, I've been in a really pissy mood all day.  I hate that the NSA domestic (I will never use the administration's new title) spying program will probably never be investigated and that some democrats in congress are okay with that.

                Just because a person has faith doesn't mean that he isn't full of crap.-- Pastordan

                by Maggie Mae on Thu Feb 16, 2006 at 03:23:27 PM PST

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    •  I used the quotes ironically (none)
      As in Dick "Straight Shooter" Cheney. Sorry if I didn't make that clearer.

      And the "war" I was referring to was the so-called GWOT, not the one in Iraq, which is actually a war (of occupation and attrition), just not one that in any way could justify the administration's massive overreach.

      But they've been using the GWOT to justify everything from spying on Quakers to denying Fitzgerald access to memos and emails.

      And I've read that some legal "experts" (i.e. shills) on the right have been calling the AUMF a declaration of war, which has been their legal justification for saying that we're at war.

      Isn't that just "brilliant"? Maybe we should now declare war on elderly Texas lawyers who look like quail after a couple of beers!

      "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead

      by kovie on Thu Feb 16, 2006 at 11:53:39 AM PST

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