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View Diary: Alex Jones Shotgun Test Shows Whittington Shot from 15 Feet Away (26 comments)

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  •  Hmmm.... (none)
    I just went to your diary.  I haven't seen any photos, etc, of Whittington, so I don't have an idea of the pattern of the hits.

    Is it not possible that Cheney was using a full choke as opposed to a modified choke or improved cylinder?

    As for your comments here on this diary, I agree, had Whittington been shot at 15 feet, he wouldn't have been alive long enough to hit the ground.

    At 30 yards, the shot would have still had enough energy to penetrate deep enough to lodge close to the heart.

    As for the site linked by the diarist, funny the presence "of a police officer" is used to try to lend credibility to this fraud of a test... my experience is that most police officers are lucky if they know which port to use to load their firearms.  Not exactly firearms experts, most of them.

    "Life is forever menaced by chaos and must restore balance with every intake of breath"-- Jean Gebser

    by rangemaster on Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 09:09:49 PM PST

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    •  Well, I've Never Heard of Anybody Hunting Quail (none)
      With a Full choke, and there are good reasons why it's rarely (if ever) done, but it IS possible, but it's VERY unlikely. They were (apparently) kicking up released pen-reared birds, so the logical thing would be to have his barrels at I.C and Mod., with the I.C. the default first barrel for the first (closest) shot, followed by the Modified for a follow-up shot on that bird or attempt at a double, either of which would be a longer shot than the first.
      •  Full choke (none)
        I'll use full choke on one of the barrels when hunting quail with a double-gun.  Single barrel, it's modified choke.  

        Guess that says something about my reaction time....

        One of the funnest guns in my arsenal is a little .410 single shot; there's something refreshing about firing a simple gun, it has little kick, and it'll still do the job on rabbits out to 50 yards, even with the light #7 1/2 shot.  With a full choke barrl of course.  :-)

        "Life is forever menaced by chaos and must restore balance with every intake of breath"-- Jean Gebser

        by rangemaster on Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 09:47:23 PM PST

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      •  choke (none)
        I always use a 20 ga. o/u improved/skeet on quail. In the old days it was mod/improved. Personal preference. One theory is that modern shot cups do a good job of holding shot together and producing a more uniform pattern. Larger choke provides greater pattern size and a better chance for us old farts to knock down a bird. May not kill it outright but my bird dog can sure as hell find it.

        I agree that the 15-18 foot idea is BS. Mr. Whittington would not have survived a blast to the chest and face at 15 feet, even with a 28 guage. That would have been wicked bad.

        The tragedy of science, a beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley -7.38,-6.67

        by realalaskan on Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 10:11:38 PM PST

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