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  •  n/t (4.00)

    I've got a pair.  Hit me good.

    (See? I still haven't learned.)

    Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

    by SusanHu on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:19:10 PM PST

    •  Ewe are a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-D one (4.00)
    •  Boxcars. (nt) (4.00)

      " W " is the New Swastika. O -- and their governance is theft.

      by Yellow Canary on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 01:23:08 PM PST

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    •  Patriotism is Poison (none)
      Especially if you are a citizen of the world's only super-power.

      The limits of liberalism are clearly illustrated by the desperate insistence that "we are just as patriotic as they are." Maybe some folks here are. I'm not. I know too much history to get excited when the flags and ribbons start coming out. Its NEVER a good portent.

      Patriotism is poison. We see it in the single-minded attention to the number of U.S. troops killed and the comparative silence on the numbers of Iraqi (civilians and combatants) killed in our war of aggression. We insist that criticizing the war isn't the same as criticizing the troops, but our criticisms of the war are couched and constrained precisely to avoid the unpleasant truth of what "our troops" are actually doing day in and day out to the Iraqi people.

      Patriotism is poison. We see it in the wild enthusiasm for "Fighting Dems" irrespective of their actual political commitments. The eagerness to wrap ourselves in the flag is a little too apparent in all this.

      In a world in which the U.S. power is the main (though by no means the only) force upholding global inequality, there are bound to be big contradictions between loyalty to country and loyalty to humanity. Trying to finesse these contradictions by invoking supposed American values of freedom and democracy, that is trying to make patriotism refer to something other than what it has always referred to (loyalty to the (imperial) American state) misses the more basic point about the structural nature of U.S. imperialism (its not just a neo-con thing, its a bi-partisan corporate ruling class thing).

      Patriotism is poison. Saying so won't make it easier to win elections. But it is no less important to still say so. There are no shortcuts around confronting the ways that patriotism obstructs all meaningful prospects for progressive politics in this country.

      "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories" -- Amilcar Cabral

      by Christopher Day on Mon Feb 20, 2006 at 09:17:45 PM PST

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      •  Yes, we are the TRUE patriots! (none)
        Feingold is right about this.

        We are not AS patriotic as the right wingers.  Actually, the right wingers are not patriotic at all.  Our forefathers would be puking their guts out if they could see what the right wingers are doing to America.

        If you count patriotism as acting in the spirit of our forefathers who wrote the Constitution, then we are TOTALLY patriotic, and our political opponents are trying to sabotage our democratic republic!

        Think about this.  THINK!!!!!!!!

        •  Ummm.... (none)
          Not to put too fine a point on it, but some of our better known "forefathers" owned slaves. THis idiotic invocation of the intentions of guys who died two hundred years ago is just one more indication of the brain-pickling effects of patriotism.

          Patriotism has NEVER been about who is most loyal to the Bill of Rights. It is about who is most loyal to the government and whatever war it is trying to whip up support for. You may think you can make it about the Bill of Rights by saying so and talking about our forefathers but thats not why people slap yellow ribbon magnets on their SUVs in their millions. Patriotism isn't about thinkinging (even when CAPITALIZED with lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!).

          You need to distinguish between what you'd like patriotism to be about and what it actually means for the vast majority of people who regard it as a central principle of their politics. Patriotism is about WAR. Patriotism is about honoring your maimed or PTSD dad by sending your son to get his arm blown off in Iraq and being PROUD of it. Its about obedience to the Commander-in-Chief. Its about not having health insurance but slapping a "Love It or Leave It" sticker on your bumper. Its whats the matter with Kansas.

          Of course there are different versions of patriotism. There is one kind for the white working class and another for he country-club set and still another for Prius drivers with graduate degrees. This expansiveness is part of the trick. The danger is in thinking that the Prius version has any prospects for being generalized to the rest of the population or that this is a way around confronting the bald-faced stupidity of the whole phenomena.

          Of course Feingold says such things. He's running for president. Wanna take bets on whether he wins or not?

          "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories" -- Amilcar Cabral

          by Christopher Day on Tue Feb 21, 2006 at 06:05:45 AM PST

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    •  apology (none)
      I posted a comment and addressed you directly as SusanHo rather that SusanHu. My eyes misread and I didn't double check before clicking 'post.' You have begun a discussion that is very VALUABLE and you certainly deserve to be addressed properly and correctly!

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