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View Diary: Why we need to leave Iraq ASAP-from someone who is over there. (223 comments)

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  •  Thanks for writing this (4.00)
    and recommended.

    There was a diary that floated by earlier about a Zogby poll... part of the poll was this:

    The wide-ranging poll also shows that 58% of those serving in country say the U.S. mission in Iraq is clear in their minds, while 42% said it is either somewhat or very unclear to them, that they have no understanding of it at all, or are unsure. While 85% said the U.S. mission is mainly "to retaliate for Saddam's role in the 9-11 attacks," 77% said they also believe the main or a major reason for the war was "to stop Saddam from protecting al Qaeda in Iraq."

    That 85% for retaliating against Saddam for his role in 9-11 was surprising to me.  What is your experience of why soldiers think they're there?

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it

    by johnny71 on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 09:54:50 AM PST

    •  The Greatest Lie Ever Sold (4.00)
      I wonder whether how many of those 85% believe that Saddam actually had anything to do with 9/11, and how many simply believe that our motivation is to retaliate to the misperception that he had any role at all in 9/11.  

      In the real world, Saddam clearly didn't have anything at all to do with 9/11.  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice, and Powell all knew this as an absolute, unassailable fact.  They repeated lies and coupled thier lies with insinuations that those who did not believe them were terrorist sympathizers.  They sold one of the greatest lies ever, and now our entire military is collapsing from the inside out because of it.  Why did they do it?  It benefitted them personally through financial ties to the oil and energy concerns, and  it served as a political tool.  A constant state of war against an invisible and insidious enemy is a smokescreen, allowing totalitarian practices to rise in the name of security while blinding working class people to the fact that the GOP is turning our economy into a 21st century feudal system.

      To me, thats pretty much the definition of unpatriotic.

      •  meanwhile Dubai did have connections to 9/11 (4.00)
        and yet they want Americans to look the other way on the port deal.
        Payback is a bitch.
        •  Don't forget the Saudis (4.00)
          Good point, and it reminds me of an even bigger elephant in the room: most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, yet we are still very friendly with them and have not insisted on invading their country to root out potential terrorists.  If 19 north Koreans attacked DC and NY, the news would not be "Communists attack America!", it would be "North Koreans attack America".  19 Saudis attacked us, and we blame "Terror".  Even after this gross generalization of the enemy, we still screwed up, and attacked a nation that had a secular government and no history of terrorism.  Attacking Iraq to retaliate for 9/11 is like getting stung by a bee then killing all the ants in the neighborhood for revenge.  
          •  asdf (none)
            Not only are we not entertaining the idea of invading Saudi Arabia to root out potential terrorists, we aren't even pressuring them to do so themselves. I saw a report somewhere that Prince Bandar's wife (while her husband was still Ambassador to the US) wrote a check in 2000 to a group which we now know to have been a front to funnel money to al qaeda (I apologize but, I can't seem to find a link anywhere). Our selective prosecution of the war on terror has made us the laughing stock of the civilized world and, as this diarist so eloquently notes, broken our military in the process. I was talking to my father (a wingnut) yesterday about Iran. I postulated that the United Arab Emirates is going to play a large role in any action that we take in Iran in the coming months and that the Ports deal was their payment. I attempted to explain to my father (who has never served his country) the logistical nightmare that any military operations in Iran would be. I also attempted to paint for him the very same picture this diary is painting: our military is reeling, battered and broken (and there is no easy fix). My final statement to him:
            "Dad, trust me, we couldn't attack Azerbaijan with our military in its current state." He shrugged and chuckled as though I were completely insane.

            "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." Johann Von Goethe

            by green917 on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 11:40:35 AM PST

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          •  Bush can't see Saudis (none)
            As enemies; he's such good bidness buddies with them. Lots of family/business ties going back years.
            He can't imagine a world in which business does NOT trump everything, so he's unable to see them as a threat.
             And if Bush can't see it, it isn't really there, you know?

            War is not an adventure. It is a disease. It is like typhus. - Antoine De Saint-Exupery

            by Margot on Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 07:09:29 PM PST

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            •  The Great Irony (none)
              If Cheney and Bush had been truthful, and stated clearly that they were going into Iraq to secure ME oil for the West, now that China is becoming a world player and Russia has ambitions - then there would, from their Machtpolitik POV, at least be some long term justification for this fracas.
              With Peak Oil looming (or already here, depending upon your sources), it's obvious why the "Coalition" is in Iraq, and why Rumsfeld is building permanent bases.

              But they chose the "spreading democracy and freedom and putting blue ink on fingers route" and no one is buying it.

              Iraq could turn ugly in half an hour - and chances it will have been greatly exacerbated by this clueless and disingenuous administration.

              "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

              by SteinL on Wed Mar 01, 2006 at 12:05:35 AM PST

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      •  as for those hairbrained conspiracy theories, (none)
        remember, until there are captures, and trials and proofs, Osama bin Forgotten and 19 hijackers is also a conspiracy theory.
    •  Zogby poll said 72% say end war in 2006 (none)
      But the main point of the poll that you mentioned was that
      An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and nearly one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

      Just want to make sure people saw that. That poll is news, no?

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