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    You like 'American History X', which has one of the most predictable, ham-handed Hollywood endings ever, but you find 'Crash' too pedantic in it's musings on race. (Norton's performance was the saving grace of 'American History X') I'm confused.
     'Brother From Another Planet' is a lost gem. It should be on everyones 'must see' list.

    I believe in this / and it's been tested by research/ He who fucks nuns / will later join the church. Joe Strummer

    by mrgrandefromage on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:07:59 AM PST

    •  Who said I found Crash (none)
      too pendantic on race?  I didn't.  I found its plot machinery too contrived, its characters too flat and caricatured, its dialogue too forced.  

      Take the final scene between Philippe and Tate (spoiler alert): first we have to believe that they'd meet at all, which by this point in the film I found a little forced.  Then we have to sit through an obvious and poorly developed misunderstanding ("I'll show you what I have!"  garrrrr!!!!) just so that Philippe can shoot the guy.  Total contrivance, and badly delivered, at that.  I wasn't even thinking about race at the point.  I was thinking, "How stupid do they think we are?"

      No theme is verboten in good art.  No theme is elevated in bad art.  

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:13:40 AM PST

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      •  err... "pedantic." Sorry. (n/t) (none)

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:17:57 AM PST

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      •  I guess I misunderstood your objection to 'Crash' (none)
        I  agree that the scene you mention was the weakest point of the movie, and could have been left on the cutting room floor. Still, you need look no further than the amount of discussion the movie has created for proof that it is an effective vehicle for it's message.
        Back to 'American History X'... Charismatic white supremacist is sent to prison, where he is raped by not-so-charismatic white supremacists, forcing him to question his belief system and enroll the help of an African- American teacher to help steer his little brother toward  the path of tolerance... isn't that just as contrived as 'Crash'?

        I believe in this / and it's been tested by research/ He who fucks nuns / will later join the church. Joe Strummer

        by mrgrandefromage on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:24:34 AM PST

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        •  I don't think it was the rape scene (none)
          that converted him: it was laughing at the jokes of his co-inmate.  That's why I called the film a bit of a Dostoevsky ripoff: he's replaying the drama of rationalism defeated by the unexpectedly irrational.  What I find so enjoyably unsettling about the film is that none of the white supremicists' arguments are addressed or countered: they're allowed to stand unchallenged, and we're just supposed to feel that they're wrong.  It's a ballsy approach, but I think Norton sells it.  

          I agree it's the weakest film on my list (especially the ending), but I didn't find the plot so badly contrived.  Standard fare on that level, neither good nor bad.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Mon Mar 06, 2006 at 10:37:34 AM PST

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