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  •  Bowers nails it (4.00)
    Aside from Cueller's advocacy of Republican positions, his equally serious threat was in his chummyness with Republican leaders. Every embrace by a Democrat of a Republican supports the media narrative that the Republicans are the true leaders in this country.

    If Cueller does indeed step a little more lightly in the future and not give so much support to Republican initiatives then this effort will have been worth it.

    The same is true for the Lamont challenge to Lieberman. Even if Lieberman manages to hold of Lamont (still highly probable), Lieberman has been forced to call in a lot of favors with his friends in the party. He has already expended a considerable amount of political capital on this race. And as George Bush knows, political capital is a precious resource.

    Challenging FOX News Democrats is about more then just kicking them out of office. Its the best means we have to send them a loud warning that we are watching them and we are not amused.

    Think of it as the horse head in the bed. They are still there, but they know that they are being watched.

    •  Lamont (none)
      I am just going to cry if Lamont does not win this. (I sent what I could.)

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      by OLinda on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:05:37 AM PST

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      •  Brace yourself to cry then. (4.00)
        Because he probably won't win.

        I still support his challenge, but his winning is a long, long shot.  It's the challenge, though, that matters.

        Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo Bananas in charge. -Homer J. Simpson

        by Cheez Whiz on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:10:34 AM PST

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        •  I agree (4.00)
          I am 100% behind Lamont and will do what I can to help. But I remain realistic about his chances. He is challenging not just Lieberman but almost the entire Connecticut Democratic establishment, a significant portion of the national Democratic establishment and the general media narrative that says that Lieberman is a maverick that helps the Democrats avoid all that icky partisanship.

          Lieberman may be the leper of the Democratic activist base, but he remains very powerful within the Democratic establishment.

          But, the fact that Lieberman is taking Lamonts challenge seriously is a good sign for us. It means that the establishment is scared of us. People who are scared try to avoid the thing that scares them. One way for them to do that is to laugh at us and put us down. Another way is to listen to us and start adjusting their behavior the meet our demands.

          It remains to be seen which path Cueller or Lieberman will take. But we have forced them to make them to make a choice.

          •  Agree with your comments too (none)
            ..and I'm also more realistic about his chances than most of his other supporters.

            I'm not sure you are quite correct about your characterization of the Lieberman camps view of the Lamont campaign. That is, while I don't think they take it seriously as an imminent threat for Lieberman to lose, I do think they take it seriously as a threat to embarass a Democratic Senator in what purports to be a blue state.

            What I expect they'd most want is there be no primary challenge in August, hence alligning all the  political forces against Lamont and drying up possible funding. Since the latter doesn't appear likely perhaps they're resigned to a primary now but that doesn't mean it will be an especially respectful or one of high-minded tone. If anything the disdain for having to run will only come out more and more as the primary date nears.

            If Lieberman wins the primary, either handily or with a struggle I doubt he will change his behaviour much if at all. He'll continue to do as he's done his entire career.

          •  Yes (none)
            You always have to push, not because you always expect to win, but because if you don't, you never get anything.

            Pushing Lieberman and others to call in favors, cozy up more to the right, will make it all the more clear who they are.

            If we don't push, they will remain more opaque to most people. By making an issue of it in the campaign, we can get our issues into people's minds. It would be great to see lots of bumper stickers in CT like "Joe must go," "Lamont - a REAL Democrat," etc.

            this will only happen with a real candidacy and people committing to make it successful

            keep fighting!

            an ambulance can only go so fast - neil young

            by mightymouse on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 11:43:30 AM PST

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          •  in order to "scare" them (none)
            we have to win one.

            I'm all for jumping into fights like Rodriguez "to send a message" but if we don't deliver the goods, the so-called threat we pose will be very short-lived indeed.

        •  not (none)
          It ain't the challenge---it's win or else we've got these bastards running DC forever.  The only good fight is the victorious fight if you believe the other side is the devil.  And it is!
          •  It ain't all black and white (none)
            there's a fair amount of gray, there. If we can keep a few dems in the gray area from trending toward the darkside, then our efforts will have been worth it.

            To paraphrase Wargames

            "The only way to lose, is not to play the game."

            I like to think of the Republican Party as an Iceberg--large, white, cold-hearted, not too swift, and can't change direction.

            by DyspepTex on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:37:00 AM PST

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          •  Before you win... (none)
            You have to fight.

            A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. - Edward Abbey


            by boadicea on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 12:02:54 PM PST

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      •  I've sent (none)
        $500, from the far coast... and I'm not holding my breath.  

        I may even send more, and just get comfortable living on the couch.

        My theory is that it may be cheaper to buy our Congress back for the People than it is to move to Canada or New Zealand.

        That said, my attitude is that we have to expect this to be like the Revolution.  The Redcoats are going to kick our asses, repeatedly, in almost every real engagement where we don't get there first, pick the terrain to fight on, and receive some good (for us) weather and sheer luck.

        But what matters, in the end, is not the battles.  What matters is outlasting them, and winning the final, key engagement(s).

        This was Bunker Hill.  We lost.  But they are taking notice.  Trust me.  They noticed, and they'll remember.

        "I desire what is good. Therefore, everyone who does not agree with me is a traitor." King George III

        by ogre on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:20:11 AM PST

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      •  FWIW (none)
        Chuck Todd, who's among the best handicappers around, said he'd take Lieberman and give 30 points (meaning that he expects it to be greater than 65-35).
    •  I disagree... (4.00)
      we have to start winning some of these. Politicians will not be motivated to change unless their jobs are threatened. A vibrant progressive movement MUST have the ability to thorw out Dems that are Dems in name only. Only then can we be taken seriously as a political force. Untill then we will keep getting Gore, Kerry etc. who run as centrists in Presidential elections -- then lose -- and then realize that should have run as Liberals not soft-GOPers.

      I don't have a blog.

      by Albee090 on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:29:07 AM PST

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      •  You know. (4.00)
        It would be nice if the opinion leaders in the netroots got excited about some races that were 50/50 already, so the netroots could actually score a win or two instead of just getting excited about longshots and making them close, but still losing.

        Will somebody PLEASE give George a BJ so we can impeach him? -5.25, -4.51

        by Tod on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 10:54:28 AM PST

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        •  I Agree (4.00)
          I've pointed out here before that the netroots is going to be the real loser if Lamont challenges Lieberman and gets trounced (which is exactly what is going to happen).  Pundints are watching the netroots to see if it is a political force or a bunch of self aggrandizing blowhards.  By picking fights that cannot be won, the netroots will look like the latter.  

          I suggest that the netroots target one or two very close races where it can really make a difference (a surgical strike, so to speak).  For example, McCaskill in Missouri would be a great victory.  While she is not the most progressive democrat, McCaskill is within striking distance of ousting an incumbent republican senator, James Talent.  If the netroots tilts the scale in this race, then you'll have the political establishment kissing its ass.

          •  "Most Progressive" (4.00)
            My first reaction was that maybe the netroots paint themselves in a corner by only getting excited about the "most progressive" candidates.

            Then I remembered the poster boy for netroots involvement - Paul Hackett.  He was very moderate on a lot of issues, far to the right of Sherrod Brown.  Still, the netroots went crazy for him.  So, I don't know just what it takes to ignite the imagination of the netroots or why some candidates click and others don't.

            There may well be races where it is worth the effort to tilt at windmills, and you can make a good case for Joe Lieberman being one.  All I'm saying is it would be smart to mix in some races we can actually win as well.

            Will somebody PLEASE give George a BJ so we can impeach him? -5.25, -4.51

            by Tod on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 01:53:14 PM PST

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      •  Agree with you here (none)
        According to polls, progressives ARE in the center. It's just that we've become so used to extremists in Washinton who are either far right or really far right. The majority of people want the same things we want: good jobs, health care, better education for their children, no trumped up reasons for going to war.
        What bothers me is that unless the 38% who still support Bush are all in TX-28, Rodriguez should have done much better. There may be many reasons that I don't know about as to why Rodriguez didn't win handily, but, ultimately, it comes down to message and how successful you are at getting the message across. If we think everyone is ready to throw Bush out on his ear, this particular election (and a number of others around the country) doesn't augur well for the November elections.
      •  Even if we lose, their jobs are threatened (none)
        because the contest deprives them of energy, momentum, and money.

        Anything's possible with Commander Cuckoo Bananas in charge. -Homer J. Simpson

        by Cheez Whiz on Wed Mar 08, 2006 at 03:30:17 PM PST

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    •  Exactly Why We Need to Challenge Holy Joe (none)
      Even if Lieberman manages to hold of Lamont...Lieberman has been forced to call in a lot of favors in the party. He has already expended a considerable amount of political capital.

      Hold Joementum's feet to the fire -- every time he doesn't bash Dems on Faux News is a win for us.  

      And whatever you think of Harry Reid, from what I've heard from my friends on the Hill, he'll keep Joementum honest.  

      No tent is big enough for betrayal; Traitor Joe has got to go.

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