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  •  Everything has history (none)
    there's an old story that "hot cross buns" is an offense to Jews--the "cross" is The Cross, y'know? I have no idea if it's true, I'm just saying...

    You didn't do it.

    by Earl on Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 12:13:37 PM PST

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    •  Sounds like urban legend material to me (none)
      Most of those "coded song" rumors are urban legends.  Like the "12 Days of Christmas" one.

      DRAFT BRUCE -- the pro-Springsteen bumper stickers!

      by iCaroline on Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 12:34:21 PM PST

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    •  Well, hot cross buns ARE (none)
      traditionally served on Good Friday.  The cross is either put on with icing or cut into the buns.  borrowed heavily from the pagans on this one.  

      We always make them on Good Friday or Holy Saturday for breakfast (with the aid of the traditional bread machine of course.)

      Don't know if that's offensive or not...

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 12:44:48 PM PST

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    •  One a Penny, Two a Penny (4.00)
      Certainly hot cross buns have long been recognized as a Christian custom, specifically for Good Friday. Hot Cross Buns

      But I was delighted to find that certain hard-core Christians object to their pagan roots! Is Easter pagan?

      Leftilicious, I was fascinated with the original diary but refrained from commenting because there were so many.  Thanks for the update and for your thoughtful approach. There's a lot of complexity involved, and if not teaching the song is what works for the teacher and works for you, then I guess that's a happy ending. Probably you're all discussed-out by now and ready to move on to other topics.

      But for myself, I'm still wondering ... doesn't the song in a way celebrate the resiliency of those slaves?  And why does a work song mock the workers? And mightn't there be a context simplistic enough for the age group yet still placing the song in a rudimentary fashion?

      I guess my main point is, most songs DO have significant context. As a folk-song enthusiast, I love the songs even where I regret the original context.  
       

    •  It's all too easy to take offense (none)
      As an Irish-American kid growing up in a heavily Irish neighborhood, not once did I even realize the offending line in "Knick-knack, paddywhack, give your dog a bone, this old man is rolling home." Only recently did I even realize "paddywhack" was in reference to Irish temper. Of course, that temper would get one tossed in a "paddy wagon."  One can only imagine, however, if "paddy" was replaced with a term that denigrated other cultures or races.

      As for this diarist, however, it is reassuring to see that it all worked out for everyone involved.

    •  After reading freakonomics (none)
      I noticed two racially charged sayings in the KKK chapter that are quite common today.

      Red-blooded: Was what members said as a secret password answer to identify themselves in public.

      and

      Tear-em-asshole/tear-him-a-new-asshole: which I forgot the meaning already.

      Regardless, I dropped them from my vocabulary.

      "Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground?" -George Washington

      by House on Thu Mar 09, 2006 at 01:59:48 PM PST

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