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    •  The lack of conviction on the part of the Dems (21+ / 0-)

      is making me start to believe that 90% of the Senators, Dems and Republicans, are truly in the corporations' pockets.  I don't think the House is as corrupted, but the Democratic senators appear to be.

      Could anyone give me any other possible reason for these senators to be so totally out of the mainstream of American thought on this administration??? Listen to C-Span's Washington Journal this week - almost every single caller, Republican or Democrat, are calling and trashing the administration and Republicans for selling our economy to India and China and for letting Bush get away with all sorts of bad things.  The Democrat senators would have at least 60% of the country behind them if they censured this fool-in-chief.  But they won't do it. Why not, I ask.  

      Please give me another reason because I am losing faith in our democracy and believing we are already an oligarchy.

      The Democratic party - the party of sanity, reason and kindness.

      by adigal on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 08:40:02 AM PST

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      •  Because they don't see us, (7+ / 0-)

        don't know us (and I mean the collective us, their constituents), and rarely even come in contact with us.

        They see each other, and their large donors, and lobbyists. Period. Those people are not US. They're not even REMOTELY us.

        Representatives are closer to the people - their districts are smaller, and they can respond to their constituents faster because of that. It also doesn't take QUITE as much money to run for Congress because you don't have to reach the entire state, just your little piece of it (with some exceptions of course, but those are usually small states).

        Add to that the fact that Senators don't come up for election as often. It gives them at least 6 yrs to not listen to us, but just those big donors and lobbyists, and each other.

        •  So are they corporate whores, or not?? (0+ / 0-)

          Or just out of touch???

          The Democratic party - the party of sanity, reason and kindness.

          by adigal on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 09:55:36 AM PST

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          •  It is not 'either/or (5+ / 0-)

            It has been a downward slope for many years, and it is not entirely the fault of the legislators since we have let it become a question of money, and even the best of Senators need money by the bucketload.  Also, we have not always supported those that fought for us, nor have we been responsible about punishing those that sold us out.  If we don't make it painful to sell us out we can't act all surprised when it happens.

            All of this requires a medium that effectively dispenses information and allows co-ordination.  The internet is a godsend (well, probably a person-send) for these purposes and is still in toddler stage.  Therefore, I think we can get the Congress in touch, and we can somewhat reduce their absolute dependence on the corporations to disseminate their ideas and raise funds.  This should seperate the sheep from the goats and we can act accordingly.  I have high hopes for the next couple of cycles of elections, and beyond that, who can see.

            "I said, 'wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson -8.13, -4.56

            by NearlyNormal on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:10:57 AM PST

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            •  Publically financed elections (0+ / 0-)

               I have gotten a fine response from Republicans - some perhaps disgruntled but still a part of that 35% - as well as the seriously disaffected with: 'take the money out of the equation with publically financed elections.'

               Most everyone regardless of party agrees that money is distorting the system. People want transparency and for our elected officials to spend their time solving our problems. That's it in a nutshell. They don't do that now when they spend a large portion of their time pandering for dollars. Publically financed elections won't solve all of that, but it will clear the playing field where many things can be accomplished.

               And the voices that come with the money, particularly corporate money, will be quieted, for a while at least.


        •  It does serve a constitutional interest (0+ / 0-)

          for Senators to be removed from the people.  They are there to represent State interests.  They are not there to go with the passions of the day as the House was intended.  

          This, of course, assumes there is a Constitution to serve, and an interest not contrary to the IOKIYARs.  

          This is not meant to excuse any cowardly Democrat from standing with the Party these days and defeating George at every turn.  

          •  let's run with that (1+ / 0-)
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            how are they serving their states interests by failing to censure the president not just for the wiretapping issue,

            but failing to censure the president for stripping their national guard?

            or failing to censure the president for his ambivalence and failure in Katrina?

            I monitor computer networks and servers for a living, and I know that if I was on break when a server crashed, was told it crashed, and stayed on break, I would be written up or fired.

            So how come is it in their states' interest to allow a president to get away with all this stuff?

            "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

            by Tamifah on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 04:32:19 PM PST

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      •  It's similar to fast food (2+ / 0-)
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        The Dems use the sme political strategy as McDonald's and others use for fast food - offend as few peopel as possible.

        It makes for a bland, dissatisfying product in both cases, but Horrors! taking a stand or making a distinctive product might alienate people.

        RULE OF LAW. That's all the reason you need to oppose Republicans.

        by nightsweat on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 10:50:25 AM PST

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      •  I wouldn't put (2+ / 0-)
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        the possibility of implied threats of physical harm and other sorts of intimidation beyond this crew. A few mysterious small plane crashes, some unexplained deaths and assaults, anthrax in the mail, a few hinted reminders of these at the right moments - I'm starting to think this is the only possible explanation. Voter support for speaking out doesn't count for much if you're in fear of your life or the lives of your family members. It used to work pretty well for the Mob.

        There is absolutely no inevitability as long as there is a willingness to contemplate what is happening. - McLuhan

        by Alien Abductee on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 12:14:41 PM PST

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