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  •  Because they don't see us, (7+ / 0-)

    don't know us (and I mean the collective us, their constituents), and rarely even come in contact with us.

    They see each other, and their large donors, and lobbyists. Period. Those people are not US. They're not even REMOTELY us.

    Representatives are closer to the people - their districts are smaller, and they can respond to their constituents faster because of that. It also doesn't take QUITE as much money to run for Congress because you don't have to reach the entire state, just your little piece of it (with some exceptions of course, but those are usually small states).

    Add to that the fact that Senators don't come up for election as often. It gives them at least 6 yrs to not listen to us, but just those big donors and lobbyists, and each other.

    •  So are they corporate whores, or not?? (0+ / 0-)

      Or just out of touch???

      The Democratic party - the party of sanity, reason and kindness.

      by adigal on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 09:55:36 AM PST

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      •  It is not 'either/or (5+ / 0-)

        It has been a downward slope for many years, and it is not entirely the fault of the legislators since we have let it become a question of money, and even the best of Senators need money by the bucketload.  Also, we have not always supported those that fought for us, nor have we been responsible about punishing those that sold us out.  If we don't make it painful to sell us out we can't act all surprised when it happens.

        All of this requires a medium that effectively dispenses information and allows co-ordination.  The internet is a godsend (well, probably a person-send) for these purposes and is still in toddler stage.  Therefore, I think we can get the Congress in touch, and we can somewhat reduce their absolute dependence on the corporations to disseminate their ideas and raise funds.  This should seperate the sheep from the goats and we can act accordingly.  I have high hopes for the next couple of cycles of elections, and beyond that, who can see.

        "I said, 'wait a minute, Chester, you know I'm a peaceful man.'" Robbie Robertson -8.13, -4.56

        by NearlyNormal on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 11:10:57 AM PST

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        •  Publically financed elections (0+ / 0-)

           I have gotten a fine response from Republicans - some perhaps disgruntled but still a part of that 35% - as well as the seriously disaffected with: 'take the money out of the equation with publically financed elections.'

           Most everyone regardless of party agrees that money is distorting the system. People want transparency and for our elected officials to spend their time solving our problems. That's it in a nutshell. They don't do that now when they spend a large portion of their time pandering for dollars. Publically financed elections won't solve all of that, but it will clear the playing field where many things can be accomplished.

           And the voices that come with the money, particularly corporate money, will be quieted, for a while at least.


    •  It does serve a constitutional interest (0+ / 0-)

      for Senators to be removed from the people.  They are there to represent State interests.  They are not there to go with the passions of the day as the House was intended.  

      This, of course, assumes there is a Constitution to serve, and an interest not contrary to the IOKIYARs.  

      This is not meant to excuse any cowardly Democrat from standing with the Party these days and defeating George at every turn.  

      •  let's run with that (1+ / 0-)
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        how are they serving their states interests by failing to censure the president not just for the wiretapping issue,

        but failing to censure the president for stripping their national guard?

        or failing to censure the president for his ambivalence and failure in Katrina?

        I monitor computer networks and servers for a living, and I know that if I was on break when a server crashed, was told it crashed, and stayed on break, I would be written up or fired.

        So how come is it in their states' interest to allow a president to get away with all this stuff?

        "Dear Mr. Bush: Please obtain Tamifah's permission before invading any other countries. Love, Tamifah."

        by Tamifah on Mon Mar 13, 2006 at 04:32:19 PM PST

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