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  •  Even putting principle like that aside, (11+ / 0-)

    I just want to see a god damned fight out of us!  We've threatened so many times, but we always somehow manage to reach a political agreement and the long-overdue beatings are never handed out.

    Maybe I am just impatient to have an actual victory in my hand to look at when I need a reminder that this strategy is working, know what I mean?  The fact not fighting doesn't seem to be producing victories is a bit worrying to me.  But then I wonder what victory can reasonably be considered to be, at this point.  All the things we have talked about as achievements around here have been us somehow managing to prevent something godawful from happening, like the Social Security thing.  Our so-called victories aren't victories for America that we can point to and feel proud of, they are but tiny mitigations of BushCo's horrible botches and deliberate scupperings of decades of sound domestic and international policy.  While we scream into the wind, our ruling class enriches itself at the expense of ordinary Americans who believe in the Republic and want to believe we have one.  The Republicans laugh in our faces and get away with everything.

    So I guess I really just want to break somebody's nose at this point, regardless of whether it will or it won't help us in the long term.  Because really, it's up in the air whether it would help us or hurt us, isn't it?  Having the fight has never been tested with the focus groups.  But we'll never know whether breaking somebody's nose will give voters something to unite behind on our side, until we try punching someone in the face.

    So I say let's give it a try, see what happens.  Come on, Senate Dems, give us a fight this time!  I want to taste someone else's blood on my face to keep me fighting, don't you get it?

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      the fact that Bush even has an approval rating of 34% and democrats have the largest lead in the generic ballot in 14 years means they obviously are doing something right.

      One problem I have is that, this isn't the case of Bush trying to pass some law and Democrats hoping on board with Bush.  This is something that a democrat is pushing that has no chance of passing, and even if it did, would make no realistic difference anyway.

      On top of that, what has been the news since Feingold started this?  Either how worthless democrats are (here) or how crazy Feingold is (the media).  In both cases, we're no longer talking about the actual facts, which unfortunately is the opposite of what Feingold was trying to accomplish.

      In a way, sending it to committee is good because that gives democrats an excuse to discuss the issues publicly even more.

      Also, when censure loses (and it will if they ever vote on it), even if every single democrat voted for it, the republicans still use it as final proof that Bush didn't do anything wrong.

      The fact is that, other than firing up the base, I see nothing positive that can come out of this for democrats...which is probably one reason why they're not enthusiastic about it.

      Also, people seem to forget the times when Democrats have fought: Katrina, Social Security, port security, etc.

      However, people must realize that we are in the minority.  That means that we can never get our own plans passed, and there are going to be times that there is nothing we can do to prevent their plans from passing.

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      by FleetAdmiralJ on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 09:21:57 AM PST

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      •  Actually Considering Their Opponent It Only (8+ / 0-)

        means they're not doing somethings terribly wrong. And that's largely because they're out of power.

        Rope-a-dope has its place, but at some point the Republicans are going to have a leader competent to graduate high school, and we'll be a generation out of practice competing seriously.

        On top of that, what has been the news since Feingold started this?  Either how worthless democrats are (here) or how crazy Feingold is (the media).

        At least part of the reason must be the fact that the entire rest of the party is sitting silent. As we've seen with evolution, even when there's only one valid idea, if it doesn't compete in our adversarial society, society will happily dismiss it as crazy.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Wed Mar 15, 2006 at 10:01:12 AM PST

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      •  Accept a virtual '3' (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats fought on the Dubai ports deal. Democrats have not been conspicuous fighting for any other aspect of port security. Perhaps there is some fight I don't know about.

      •  No (and Throwing Anchors) (2+ / 0-)
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        they obviously are doing something right

        No, it's that the Republicans are doing everything wrong, with multiple meanings of the word 'wrong'. The voters aren't stupid, and the Republican-created mistrust of the press over the last twenty years is now backfiring on them now that they clearly and beyond visible doubt own the press.

        No, the DC Democrats have done very little right. They, too, have failed to provide proper oversight. I knew Bush was a fratboy cokehead liar -- why wasn't this obvious to DC Dems? I knew the basic outlines of why you couldn't just waltz into Baghdad and be victorious in 2002; why wasn't anyone in DC more incredulous? All you had to do was read a short history book, or even see a fricking PowerPoint presentation on the problems with the middle east.

        Bush would be in jail right now if more DC Democrats had the balls of Russ Feingold, or heck, any balls at all. As much as Caraville is fundamentally useless these days, the line "throw them an anchor" is really resonant right now: why aren't DC Dems doing it? It's past time for them to stand up and fight for their country.

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