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  •  We need a comprehensive guest worker program (0+ / 0-)

    Somebody needs to pick up this ball. It's just waiting, since Bush dropped it. I think you're right. The RW sites are ALL about xenophobic immigration issues, and now the U.S. Government are making it very difficult (by requiring passports) for U.S. citizens to even go visit their neighbors in Canada and Mexico, furthering the cause of isolation.

    However, Immigration is not that difficult of a problem to solve. Many countries have dealt with it, including the U.S. at other times in history. We need to take the fear out of it. We just need a plan.

    Talking points:

    1. The number of illegal immigrants coming in: is it even higher than the number of jobs we've exported?
    1. Have you lost your job to an illegal immigrant, or has your job shipped overseas? (repetition never hurts).
    1. Most illegals preform domestic labor, restaurant work, and agricultural labor jobs. These industries could easily be brought into compliance though a sensible permit system.

    We have nothing to fear from immigrants, if the situation is handled in an organized and competent fashion.

    It is precisely the imcompetence and lack of good faith follow-through over the last 6 years, 12 if you go back to the failed republican contract, that has been the problem.

    Immigration would be ab easy problem to solve if we were simply honest with ourselves about the causes and solutions.

    Global climate change (GCC): that is a real problem.

    You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

    by dnamj on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 10:39:31 AM PST

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    •  Bah-I hate guest worker programs (0+ / 0-)

      I don't want guest workers-I want furture citizens.

      •  baby steps (0+ / 0-)

        we must begin making progress. Guest worker programs may be set up to help move people into citizenship eventually.

        We have to start somewhere. And I really mean "start over".

        You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

        by dnamj on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 10:48:58 AM PST

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    •  Just say it (2+ / 0-)
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      We need a comprehensive guest worker program

      Call it what it is and just say that you support a cheap labor indentured servant program.

      Create, on the bottom end of the wage scale, the H5, or the H2, or whatever the visa number ends up to be, call it 'the jobs Americans won't do'.

      Then blow the cap off the H1B program to subvert the middle and top of the wage scale, call it 'the jobs Americans can't do'.

      Specter or Frist writes it. Leahy supports it, Kennedy supports it, Pelosi supports it. It is pretty much a done deal.

      The piece de resistance will be electing that scumbag Harris Miller, late of the ITAA, to Congress so as to have somebody on the inside banging the drum about how Americans are just so fucking stupid and we all need to go to community college.

      Continued Efforts to Exploit Indentured Servants

      Education smokescreen conceals American worker replacement agenda

      <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

      by superscalar on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 10:59:48 AM PST

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      •  Should have been (0+ / 0-)

        so as to have somebody on the inside

        Should have read somebody else on the inside.

        'Cause Lord knows we don't have enough talking heads on the inside telling us for almost ten years now that importing low wage replacement engineers and scientists is the way towards solving 'the drastic shortage of engineers and computer scientists' on the one hand, and how, on the other hand, educating more scientists and engineers is the way towards competing with labor that costs a tenth of American labor.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 12:56:40 PM PST

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      •  Hey, I'm on YOUR side (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not saying that this is any kind of a great thing.  I'm also not saying that I think it's great that those born with some advantage, usually meaning money or geography, always end up using those advantages to screw those less lucky.

        However, there needs to be some recognition that the situation IS what it IS, right now. Currently, illegal status is used to FURTHER exploit immigrants. That is why the do-nothing option is not viable at this time.  

        I'm well aware that the situation sucks, and that the corporatists are trying to screw me over by both importing people from poverty-stricken areas, and exporting jobs there. The larger wage reduction issues you mention really don't have that much to do with immigration, in my opinion, that is simply a time-honored mechanism. These issues always have to do with greed, and an overall lack of government oversight over corporations.

        I'd rather take away the immigrant-related fear (the most powerful political tool the right wing has) by saying that it is at least POSSIBLE to do something to get this shitty situation at least organized. Improvement requires organization as a first step.

        Besides all that, this is a political discussion, and I think the original poster was right that immigration could be the flag-burning issue of 2006. Just because they're wrong doesn't make us right, and also doesn't even make it likely that they will be exposed. IF they succeed in making Immigration the top issue, and if they want to I think they can, we need to be ready with a plan for dealing with immigration, not just gripes.

        You can't get away with the crunch, 'cuz the crunch always gives you away

        by dnamj on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 02:12:08 PM PST

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