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    we support the enforcement of current immigration laws? Current law provides a fine of up to $10,000.00 per illegal person hired. Had the previous administrations (since 1986)  supported the enforcement of immigration laws, illegal immigration would be a non issue. I tend to take exception to Kos's remark: "Latinos making their way north to work the shit jobs no one else wants." As usual an educated elite thinks just because he wouldn't do a certain job, no other American would. I have worked in both agriculture and construction, my entire life. I have worked along Hispanics both legal  and illegal. My wife works as a grocery clerk (service industry). For those of you that don't know, many jobs in these fields used to provide a middle-class income. There isn't any job Americans won't do. They just won't do them for slave wages.

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson

    by llih on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 02:07:00 PM PST

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    •  So happens that I think you're right. But -- (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think it's a political winner.  That's where we've been.  You are, I suspect, saying "No more supply side restrictions, just make the demand side restrictions real."  I think people only hear the part before the comma.  Better is:  "Any supply side restrictions have to be bolstered by no less strong demand side restrictions, otherwise this is just feel-good legislation that will throw more poor people in jail without solving the problem.  Once we have the principle in place, we can start to plan."

      My apologies to students who took my U.S. Government class in the 90s: evidently the Constitution doesn't limit Presidential power after all. Who knew?

      by Major Danby on Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 05:44:36 PM PST

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      •  How do we know? (0+ / 0-)

        No one has really tried to  enforce immigration laws since before 1986. Right now depending on which polls you look at 65-80% of Americans want illegal immigration stopped. A great percentage of these want the laws enforced that are currently on the books. That includes deportation when necessary. Immigration policies were enacted to benefit and protect the American public. Not to benefit foreign nationals or cheap labor special interests.

        A good immigration policy would include both increased border security, employer penalties, a employee verification system for SS numbers and deportation.

        While I am sympathetic to the plight of third world peoples, the answer is not to increase immigration into our own country. We cannot continue to take in the numbers we currently are without drastically changing our own way of life. Most Americans do not want high density population and it's problems. There is a reason life in the US is so attractive and it's not just increased wages/freedom. Part of the attraction is that we are not over-crowded yet.

        I have never heard an advocate for increased immigration numbers say how many is enough? When will the population be great enough? When do we say that's it? Does it have to reach the point where there are shortages?

        Most of the folks here at Kos don't see the need to enforce immigration laws, because immigration doesn't affect them. It's easy to advocate a position that affects others when you know that your own position is secure. I seriously wonder how many would change their minds on immigration policy if tomorrow they went to work and found that an immigrant was being trained to replace them? How would they feel if they were given the option of quitting or working for a fraction of their previous pay? This has happened repeatedly to all sectors of the construction trades and a high percentage of service industries.

        A guest worker program sounds great on the surface. But how many uneducated people do we need in this country? Nearly 60% of immigrants from Mexico and S America didn't have a high school education according to the GAO. Only 7% had a college education. The US AG dept did a study a while back. The results revealed that at any given time there were at a minimum, 250,000 more ag workers than jobs.
        Is a guest worker program really guest? How do you get them to return to their home countries? They come here as a guest worker (temporary), get married or have a child and then they are no longer a guest.

        The congress is doing what it always does. If they can't blame it on someone else (enforcing immigration laws) they make the problem go away by doing away with the law. Doesn't that sound just like their response to illegal wiretaps/fisa and the abdicating of their responsibility to declare war?

        "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Thomas Jefferson

        by llih on Fri Mar 24, 2006 at 04:42:13 PM PST

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