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  •  Impeachment and Line of Succession are Different (0+ / 0-)

    I believe the House gets to appoint after an impeachment....

    "What's in the name of lord, that I should fear; To bring my grievance to the public ear?" - The Crisis, January 13, 1777

    by TPaine on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 11:02:21 AM PST

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    •  Does it? (0+ / 0-)

      One should check the constitution  on this thoroughly.

      My impression was tha the LoS would be used to appoint the next president.

      •  I think your impression is how it is (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, it appears that we do follow the line of succession when there is a president removed by impeachment process...

        However, many presidential systems incorporate provisions for the president's trial and subsequent removal from office by the legislature if he or she is found to have committed a crime. In the United States, the House of Representatives may impeach the president, which allows the Senate to hold a trial, but upon a president's removal from office, the next qualified member of the presidential line of succession assumes the Presidency for the remainder of the term. If there is a capable Vice President, he or she assumes the office. To date, no US President has ever been removed from office by Congress, nor has anyone farther down the line of succession acted as or become President, but a number of times Presidents have died in office, and one President (Nixon) resigned in fear of removal from office.

        So my vote is to indict Vice, and impeach Bush... and that's where Pelosi fits into this - after Dems take the House, as she would be third in line for the job...I would still worry that Bush would get to appoint someone if Cheney goes, and if Bush were to go first... that would mean Cheney would get to appoint his VP...So not sure how we get to Pelosi at all even in the best scenarios.  There has never been a president removed from office by Congress.

        You would have hoped this would have been resolved in the 12th amendment, which put both President and Vice President necessarily on the same party ticket. The way it had previously worked, the runner-up among electors became the VP - could you see that Bush-Kerry? "In every case, after the choice of the President, the person having the greatest number of votes of the electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal votes, the Senate shall choose from them by ballot the Vice President. " - Article II, Secion 1. Never would work today; but another indication the framers of the Constitution did not seek a 'unitary executive' branch moving in lockstep with no internal debate to check bad ideas, but rather one where a high level of representation was mandated for the minority party to serve as that check, should we be led to founder on executive fiat and folly.

        This means it's important to retake the House for not only the above impeachment scenarios, but also to diminish Bush's ability to continue to carry out the neoconservative agenda.  Think judicial nominees, budgetary resolutions, foreign policy decisions, investigative power, and treaty obligations...

        "What's in the name of lord, that I should fear; To bring my grievance to the public ear?" - The Crisis, January 13, 1777

        by TPaine on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 02:07:19 PM PST

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    •  We looked it up before (0+ / 0-)

      This is the current line. After we take back the Congress Pelossi becomes Speaker of the House. After we Impeach Bush and Cheney, then she becomes President and as President naturally has the power of the unitary executive to choose her own cabinet.

      Then a lot of stuff can happen. For example, she can add a couple of new Supreme Court justices to help all those senior citizens on the present court with the huge work load they have.

      Current president: George W. Bush

      Dick Cheney, Vice President
      J. Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the House of Representatives
      Ted Stevens, President pro tempore of the Senate
      Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State
      John W. Snow, Secretary of the Treasury
      Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
      Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General
      Gale Norton, Secretary of the Interior
      Mike Johanns, Secretary of Agriculture
      Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Commerce (ineligible due to not being a natural-born citizen of the U.S.)
      Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor (ineligible due to not being a natural-born citizen of the U.S.)
      Michael Leavitt, Secretary of Health and Human Services
      Alphonso Jackson, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
      Norman Y. Mineta, Secretary of Transportation
      Samuel W. Bodman, Secretary of Energy
      Margaret Spellings, Secretary of Education
      Jim Nicholson, Secretary of Veterans Affairs

      Live Free or Die (-8.88 -9.49) IMPEACH

      by rktect on Sun Mar 26, 2006 at 03:54:58 PM PST

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