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  •  but don't romanticize FDR (0+ / 0-)

    he did little to stop segregation even in the armed forces.

    •  And? (8+ / 0-)

      He also didn't end world poverty, stamp out war, or create a delicious cheesecake that never makes your ass fat.

      Are we so afflicted the lionization of banality and incompetence that every word of worthy praise must also contain a "yeah, but..." clause to prove that we're not mindless sycophants?

      The greatest thing by far is to be a master of metaphor. --Aristotle

      by kingubu on Tue Mar 28, 2006 at 10:57:09 PM PST

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      •  FDR did a lot to address poverty BUT (0+ / 0-)

        did nothing to use the force of the federal government, or his bully pulpit, to address the ever present lynchings and constant segregation that gave lie to the Jeffersonian words "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal."

        It wasn't as if FDR did not know on a personal level that racism was galloping through the United States. His wife Eleanor lobbied him to address insitutional racism and he ignored her.

        We are at a point in history where we are trying to salvage/get back/reinstate some of the many admirable economic programs of the New Deal.

        While it was not within FDR's power to end world poverty, stamp out war or create a delicious, fat free cheesecake, it was within his power to speak out against racism and to offer legislation to smash segregation. He chose not to do so.  

        His name is not St. FDR.

        He was a great man but imperfect like you and me.

    •  Let's judge Rosevelt by the (6+ / 0-)

      standards of his time, not ours.

      (-2.75,-4.77) "Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose." Senator Barack Obama

      by Sam I Am on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 03:00:15 AM PST

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      •  Whose eyes to look out from? (0+ / 0-)

        Standards of his time?

        Or dreams deferred?

        Do you mean white power structure standards of his time?

        Black and brown people were no fans of racism or segregation yet confronted both every damn day of our lives.

        Eleanor Roosevelt was part of the standard of FDR's time and no fan of racism. She spoke her concerns. FDR did not. It is part of the heritage of the Democratic Party that it is the party  most identified with racism up to and including the FDR era and into the 1950s with George Wallace standing in the school house door.  

        It was not until 1964 when LBJ, pressured by mass demonstrations for civil rights, sponsored legislation to address what the federal government stopped addressing in 1876.

        Politics in the United States continue to be fucked up because the Party of Lincoln has for too long not stood for what Lincoln stood for, and the Democratic Party was for too long the party of the Klan. That was true beginning with the first great contested presidential election (in 1876) when the Democrats and Republicans made a side deal --for the presidency -- to stop Reconstruction and its efforts to address the civil rights of freedmen and women. That was the first instance of an unelected man sitting in the Oval Office.

        The first unelected Republican to claim the presidency was Rutherford B. Hayes who was alternately known as "Old 8-7" or "His Fraudulency."

        The Al Gore of 1876 was also the Democratic nominee-- Samuel Tilden who won the nationwide popular vote but because of disputed outcomes in Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, made a deal. Democrats quietly agreed to give up Tilden's claim to the presidency while Republicans took the Oval Office in return for agreeing to end Reconstruction and its efforts to bring civil rights to all Americans.

        Read Eric Foner and W.E.B. Du Bois's books on Reconstruction. They explain it best and in detail.

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