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  •  You expect a GOPer to... (8+ / 0-)

    know the difference between Iraq and Istanbul?
    Can't say I do.

    Casualty is the first truth of war. (-6.00,-7.03)

    by Foreign Devil on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:30:05 AM PST

    •  Good thing (5+ / 0-)

      for the Turks, I guess. At least for the time being.

      How freeing it must be to walk through this world heeding neither conscience nor soul. - rude pundit

      by pattyp on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 10:36:23 AM PST

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    •  Not too bright, what do you expect? (5+ / 0-)

      "We took this photo of dowtown Baghdad..."

      Hooligan can't even spell "downtown." Looks like the (lack of) character and intelligence are linked? Or maybe "dowtown Baghdad" means Istanbul in Arabic? There's thier defense, perhaps. Move over, Bennie Boy!

      And here's betting we'll never see this lie on Faux News.

    •  This one would know better (5+ / 0-)
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      Ducktape, hind, suzq, Fabian, Overseas

      Kaloogian is Armenian, and even the most uninvolved Armenian can be expected to know the difference between Iraq and Istanbul, given that Armenia borders Turkey.  This contradiction is either a bald-faced lie or a complete mistake by a staffer.  But ignorance on the part of Kaloogian can't be the reason.

      Of course, the real issue isn't the location of the photo per se.  The idea that anyone can claim that Iraq is "calm" and "stable" based on a picture, even if it was taken in Baghdad, defies logic.

      It'll be interesting to see what picture the site puts up in its place.

      •  speaking of his heritage (1+ / 0-)
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        suzq

        ironic that an armenian would get kneecapped by trying to pass off an instanbul street scene as a photo of pacified, liberated baghdad.

      •  Speaking as a person of Armenian descent (1+ / 0-)
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        enough

        I am woefully ashamed and embarrassed to share a common heritage with this asshat.

        Deception knows no nationality.

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        What ho, Robin!  Justice is my sword and truth shall be my quiver! -Heimlich, A Bug's Life

        •  Turkish genocide against Armenians (2+ / 0-)
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          saraswati, suzq

          Apart from their efforts against the Kurds, Turkey also committed genocide against Armenians about a century ago, killing tens of thousands of them solely for their heritage.

          No Armenian-American is unaware of this.

          •  Word (2+ / 0-)
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            suzq, curtadams

            But its more like hundreds of thousands.  Some estimates put the death toll at over a million.  No one really knows for sure.

          •  You mean the Ottoman Empire (0+ / 0-)

            Turkey didn't exist a century ago.  It was established in 1923 after Ataturk overthrew the Ottoman Empire.

            •  Correction (0+ / 0-)

              It's still correct to refer to the "Turkish Genocide against Armenians."

              The region is referred to as both the Ottoman Empire and Turkey in contemporary documents such as

               1) Bryce's report to the British government in 1916

               2) The 1920 Treaty of Sevres, titled "THE TREATY OF PEACE BETWEEN THE ALLIED AND ASSOCIATED POWERS AND TURKEY SIGNED AT SÈVRES

              and

               3) Wilson's Fourteen Points from 1918, which included "XII. The Turkish portion of the present Ottoman Empire should be assured a secure sovereignty, but the other nationalities which are now under Turkish rule should be assured an undoubted security of life and an absolutely unmolested opportunity of autonomous development, and the Dardanelles should be permanently opened as a free passage to the ships and commerce of all nations under international guarantees."

              Referring only to the obsolete Ottoman Empire instead of Turkey is one of the subtle means of denying the "events" of 1915.

              Of course, this is entirely off-topic to the diary, but since we're skewering a candidate for mislabeling something, we should stick to the facts, too.

              •  I don't know. (0+ / 0-)

                A college history class I took said the current Republic of Turkey was established in 1923 under Ataturk, who overthrew the Ottoman Empire.  (I remember cause I had to memorize it for an exam ;)  I'm not talking about who killed who; I just thought it was odd referring to "Turkey" and "a century ago" - cause I know Turkey didn't exist a century ago, but the Ottoman Empire did.  That's the extent of my knowledge.  

      •  Except ... (2+ / 1-)
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        Foreign Devil, suzq
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        think blue

        that the Armenian would love to do to Istanbul what is happening to Baghdad???

        9/11/05, Day 1469, A count worth keeping? Or, Osama Bin Forgotten?

        by besieged by bush on Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 11:44:51 AM PST

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    •  Baghdad vs. Istanbul (0+ / 0-)

      Baghdad: site of ancient Babylon.  From 700-1250 CE, was the capital of the Abbasid dynasty.  Sunni and Shi'ia skirmishes began to weaken the dynasty.  In 1258, it was overrun by the Mongols.

      Istanbul: in 600 BCE, capital of the Greek Byzantium.  Around 306 CE, Emperor Constantine the Great made it the capital of the Roman Empire and renamed it Constantinople.  The Ottoman Turks conquered the city in 1453 and renamed it Istanbul.

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