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  •  Very insightful comments. (3+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, aloha and mahalo, blueoasis

    Recommended.  I am waiting to see how this plays out -- between Feingold and Conyers, there is a very interesting dynamic going on.

    I agree with your assessment of Obama's letter - it is dishonest.  It's a dilemma for all the Senators and I don't envy them.  But right now my mind is on those who are standing up NOW.  They draw my attention far more than those who are on the fence.

    •  Why not envy them? (1+ / 0-)
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      boofdah

      They're paid to represent the people yet somehow feel they're not obliged to do so if they don't feel like it. They're like company men, working for someone or something other than who they profess to serve. What is that thing? Not us.

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        boofdah

        ... but given what you say, I feel even more strongly that I wouldn't want to be them!

        Seriously, I don't think it is surprising that at this time there's only Conyers and Feingold taking the lead -- because they are leaders.  In the weeks ahead we'll see who comes around and who does not.

        •  We have already seen who has character and ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... who does not.

          Obama is a shadow of a leader, plumped up by high cheekbones and middle-brow oratory.

          That's better than Sessions, who is a drop of voltaic snot charged by a complete circuit of elitism on top and separatism on the bottom.

          Have you heard the good news? God is fiction. All prophets lie.

          by Yellow Canary on Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:11:07 AM PST

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          •  To be uselessly philosophical ... (2+ / 0-)
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            Alien Abductee, Yellow Canary

            ... I point to the ancient text of the Chinese Book of Changes (I-Ching, Wilhelm edition).  There's a hexagram in this book called "Revolution," which speaks of necessary institutional changes when all other remedies have failed.  The I-Ching cautions against going too far in revolution once the actual changes have taken place, as follows:

            After the large and fundamental problems are settled, certain minor reforms, and elaborations of these, are necessary.  These detailed reforms may be likened to the equally distinct but relatively small marks of the panther's coat.  As a consequence, a change also takes place among the inferior people.  In conformity with the new order, they likewise "molt."  This molting, it is true, does not go very deep, but that is not to be expected.  We must be satisfied with the attainable.  If we should go too far and try to achieve too much it would lead to unrest and misfortune.  For the object of a great revolution is the attainment of clarified, secure conditions ensuring a general stabilization of what is possible at the moment. (emphasis mine)

            There are leaders and there are followers.  I agree with you that at this point Obama is a follower -- and Feingold and Conyers are leaders.  All I'm saying is that I believe the leaders will eventually prevail.  Assuming this happens, at that time the "inferior people" in the Democratic Party will go with the political winds and fall behind the leaders.  It is disappointing that there are not more leaders on this issue, but it is gratifying that we have people like Feingold and Conyers.  In this revolutionary process there's a role for everyone.  Obama's role, given his letter, is not one of a leader, but that does not mean he has no value.

            •  Well that was circuitous, but ... (1+ / 0-)
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              Nightprowlkitty

              ... enjoyably scenic.  I agree.  I let stand the implication that Obama is without value, but what I said is simply that his value is low.  I stand by my assertion that as of yet, Obama is more shadow than substance.  Like many here, I await his molting.

              Have you heard the good news? God is fiction. All prophets lie.

              by Yellow Canary on Sat Apr 01, 2006 at 08:46:40 AM PST

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