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  •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

    The difference in the fluency of George and Jeb is dramatic.

    I had never heard Jeb speak at any length, but he is clearly fluent. Meanwhile, most 6th-grade gringos languishing in Beginning Spanish can speak better than "El Idiota".

    Behind the dark veil of patriotism a nation mourns itself.

    by Espumoso on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 02:40:30 PM PDT

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    •  Not necessarily fluent (1+ / 0-)
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      he could be what we in the language biz call "abominably fluent."  That is, able to pronounce things  to an extent not consistent with his actual knowledge.

      But boy, if he can go on like that off the cuff, he has my total linguistic admiration.

      And he's still a shit.

      •  No doubt. (2+ / 0-)
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        He's still a shit, but as a gringo who learned Spanish at the age of 23, I have a great deal of respect for his ability to speak Spanish.

        In my experience it is much more common to find gringos that can understand 90+%, but could never in their wildest dreams pass for a native speaker of any origin, than to find a gringo that has near perfect pronunciation, but doesn't comprehend well. It extremely rare to find someone who learned at an older age that can do both.

        FWIW, he speaks with more command of the Spanish language than Bill Richardson, who learned as a child.

        Did Jeb learn as an adult at the time of marrying his wife? Also his accent is hard for me to place, but it sounds "central mexican" to my ear...definitely not Cuban or Caribbean, or S. American for that matter.

        Behind the dark veil of patriotism a nation mourns itself.

        by Espumoso on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 03:23:37 PM PDT

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        •  he is fluent (1+ / 0-)
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          during hurricane season, he gets on tv for the warnings and does them in Spanish and English. He uses very few notes while he's speaking.

          He's literate, and intelligent which makes him the most dangerous of all the Bushes

          We have no future because our present is too volatile. We only have risk management. The spinning of the given moments scenario. Pattern Recognition. ~W. Gibson

          by Silent Lurker on Mon Apr 03, 2006 at 04:30:17 PM PDT

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        •  Sounds generic Mexican to me, too (0+ / 0-)

          like a broadcast announcer.

          I learned at age 18 and have the gift of a good ear; my accent is near-perfect.  It's been amazing to have native speakers ask me where in Mexico I'm from.  But I'm not perfectly fluent and the illusion vanishes as the conversation goes on, or if it gets really colloquial.  If J. E. B. can keep that level of chatter up, then good on him.

          But he's still a goniff.

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