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Re: Seems the pols are in full flux (2.50 / 1)

likewise, i think as people learn more about clark's liberal and democratic record, he'll gain more support among the party faithful.

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by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 08:18:20 AM PDT

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  I would love to learn more about General Clark's liberal and Democratic record. When is that going to happen?
  
  Republicans don't like me. I don't like Republicans. We're even.
  
  by Len on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 08:32:18 AM PDT
  
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    liberal record:
    http://ontheissues.org/wesley_clark
    http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/on_the_issues
    liberal almost across the board.
    democratic record:
    voted for gore and clinton. helped democrats campaign in new hampshire and georgia. attends party fundraisers.
    not saying he doesn't also have a republican record, but that's the democratic one.
    
    Purple Hearts and Bleeding Hearts Unite!
    
    by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 12:42:04 PM PDT
    
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    - Those aren't records (2.50 / 0)
      
      He has no record.
      He has a resume and current speachs on his positions.
      
      cheers,
      Mitch Gore
      Wanna win in '08...?
      Put your money where your mouth is.
      
      by Lestatdelc on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 01:12:12 PM PDT
      
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        and the amicus brief for the U of M?
        and lobbying and even testifying against the war?
        and i'm curious why a resume and a record are mutually exclusive.
        
        Purple Hearts and Bleeding Hearts Unite!
        
        by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 01:21:14 PM PDT
        
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        If you are refering to... (2.50 / 0)
        
        the dead links you gave in your previous post, would like to see them (when they work).
        Again, he has no record because he has never held elective office.
        He has position papers and that's it.
        Again, I am not "against Clark"... I will support him as an ABB, but I need someone with a record of holding an elected office and a voting record in said office(s) to go on, not simply campaign speeches and campaign produced position papers.
        
        cheers,
        Mitch Gore
        Wanna win in '08...?
        Put your money where your mouth is.
        
        by Lestatdelc on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 01:40:32 PM PDT
        
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        Re: If you are refering to... (2.50 / 0)
        
        where are those quotes around "against clark" coming from? did i say you were? i've read your posts, and you seem pretty pro-dean, pro-clark, pro-ABB...
        but you're right, according to those links i gave he has no record. :-\ here are the real ones:
        http://www.ontheissues.org/Wesley_Clark.htm
        http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/on_the_issues.htm
        
        Purple Hearts and Bleeding Hearts Unite!
        
        by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 04:09:09 PM PDT
        
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        Quotes are basically online "air quotes" (2.50 / 0)
        
        Was not saying you said that line directly and I was quoting you. I usually try (but not consistently succeed) to use block quoting instead of actual quote marks when quoting someone else's post.
        I state that I am not anti-Clark and support him as an ABB candidate because as was clearly seen on the old dKos, anything I (or anyone else posted) that deign to express reservations about his candidacy, brought some very troll like knee-jerk responses form more than a few rabid Clark supporters.
        
        cheers,
        Mitch Gore
        Wanna win in '08...?
        Put your money where your mouth is.
        
        by Lestatdelc on Thu Oct 16, 2003 at 04:10:17 AM PDT
        
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        Still no record there (though the links now work).
        Again, I think the positions he is espousing are good ones, but let's not pretend he has a record on the matter.
        
        cheers,
        Mitch Gore
        Wanna win in '08...?
        Put your money where your mouth is.
        
        by Lestatdelc on Thu Oct 16, 2003 at 09:39:08 AM PDT
        
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  What record?
  He has no record other than his military career.
  I am not against Clark, and think he is saying the right things, but why your pretending there is some record that he can bring forward?
  He has none.
  
  cheers,
  Mitch Gore
  Wanna win in '08...?
  Put your money where your mouth is.
  
  by Lestatdelc on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 08:35:09 AM PDT
  
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  - Re: Seems the pols are in full flux (2.50 / 1)
    
    it's unfortunate that it's not easier to prove his devotion with a political voting record but those are the breaks. i'm not cynical about his statements, and i believe he honestly supports the liberal views he's expressed. it's up to him to prove it to more people in his campaign speeches. he's not going to suddenly have a voting record though, so you can either keep disbelieving him or take the plunge.
    
    Purple Hearts and Bleeding Hearts Unite!
    
    by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 12:44:49 PM PDT
    
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      Or simply go with someone with a real record.
      I will support Clark as an ABB, but I will not drink the kool-aid for someone who has never held elective office as POTUS.
      
      cheers,
      Mitch Gore
      Wanna win in '08...?
      Put your money where your mouth is.
      
      by Lestatdelc on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 01:13:50 PM PDT
      
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        ok, let's examine the dean record:
        foreign policy experience: none
        combat experience: N/A
        record dealing with multinational coalitions: nonexistent
        relations with foreign heads of state: none
        grasp of military operations: weak
        sorry, but my standards are a bit higher than that. with more soldiers' lives on the line than any other post-WWII period, i think they deserve better. i don't care if dean balanced the VT budget a hundred times.
        
        Purple Hearts and Bleeding Hearts Unite!
        
        by josh in chi town on Wed Oct 15, 2003 at 01:33:31 PM PDT
        
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