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  •  Why Melanie is gone (3.83 / 6)

    There are a couple of factors why I uninvited Melanie as a guest poster.

    One -- I don't need as many guest posters anymore, given that I can promote from the Diaries. In fact, were it not for business trips were I'll be away from the site for days on end, I would end the whole concept of guest posters. The Diaries are a treasure trove of great content worthy of the dKos homepage; and

    Two -- Melanie was using the dKos homepage as a sort of personal diary. That is appropriate for one's personal blog, but the dKos homepage is a place for policy and politics discussions, not job searches, etc. I can get away with the ocassional announcement of, say, the birth of my first child. But this is a political forum, and 99.9 percent of the content should be political.

    Please note that I offered to hook Melanie up with her own blog and a link on the "Kos alumni" section. She obviously has talent and a well-earned following. A blog of her own would allow her to write whatever she wanted, when she wanted -- a courtesy not available to my guest posters. She declined.

    There's not much else to it, really. It had nothing to do with the religion posts. And while I didn't agree with her Clark posts (and considered the criticism unfair, in fact), it had nothing to do with those either. I just felt her style was more suited for a personal blog, rather than for guest blogging duties on this site.

    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (none / 0)

      Thank you for the response.
    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (3.33 / 3)

      Two -- Melanie was using the dKos homepage as a sort of personal diary. That is appropriate for one's personal blog, but the dKos homepage is a place for policy and politics discussions, not job searches, etc. I can get away with the occasional announcement of, say, the birth of my first child. But this is a political forum, and 99.9 percent of the content should be political.

      Bingo!

      Thanks

    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (none / 1)

      I did enjoy reading some of Melanie's posts.  It was a welcome respite from all those polls. ;)  It's too bad she didn't just cut out some of the more personal stuff.  I didn't think Meteor Blades or DHinMI was more worthy for guest blogging than Melanie.

      Well, there is a lot to choose from the diaries!  I'm only a casual, not avid, Daily Kos reader, but it does seem like the stories have been flying by on the main page.

    •  Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

      I liked Melanie and hope she returns.

      But I'm writing to ask why people are giving Kos' post ratings. He doesn't need mojo and we can't ban him as a troll, so what's the point? I think some people are so accustomed to working in nasty offices that they reflexively butter up the boss, in this case with 4s.

      •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 1)

        Shorthand thanks for the info.
      •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

        I don't enjoy this banning thing.  I have voiced this twice before and I'm going to voice it again (sorry DHnMI).  I think the heart of this site is the "community".  Most of the people I know who come here do so to read the dicussion boards (including my friends over at the DNC and the Dean campaign) - not specifically for the content on the front page.  The "community" theme is the point.  Without that, Daily Kos is simply another blog.

        Also, again, I'd like to point out that we the "community" members give money to Kos, and family, to keep this site up and running.  We pay for the content; we pay to read what other people have to say.  If people start getting banned, then why am I, and many others, giving our money to this site?  I assure you it's not for the latest polls.

        Banning, or censorship, is not the answer.  I think Daily Kos is a great site, obviously.  I also think that if people start getting banned it will lessen the site.  It will simply become interest based, thus less effective and appealing.

        Stop the banning!  Do not even speak of it.  Please.

        •  Rating vs banning (none / 0)

          Rating an individual comment is quite a different thing than banning.  The later is a blunt force instrument often disprorportionate to the offense at hand.  Most everyone has a bad night and participates in a thread gone bad, when it happens we deserve to have our hands slapped a bit without being sent away.  Those who are consistent offenders, posting repetitive, content free or abusive posts have their droppings silently whisked away.

          Kos urges trusted users to view the hidden comments and uptick those unfairly down-graded.  From my experience checking them out the system is not being abused, these are content free "I know you are but what am I" posts and I have only upgraded one - to marginal.  In my opinion the post was stupid but not malicious.

          While on the topic, don't reply directly with any substantive argument to an obvious troll.  Your well reasoned argument risks going right into never-never land with the offending post.  Reply over their head to whatever they were responding to, not only will it safeguard your argument but it cuts back on the nesting.

        •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

          I can understand how, after seeing me jump all over Roastbeef for expressing his satisfaction about Melanie's departure (on not just one but two separate threads), that you might feel the need to defensively raise your hand to keep me from cuffing you a good one.  Relax.  I smacked Roastbeef out of frustration that Affaire la Melanie was turning into the imbroligio it became.  Thank [pick at least one of the following that describes your preference or does not offend: God/my non-denominational spirituality/my rationalality/my distrust of anything that cannot be verified through my understanding of scientific method/other] I didn't have to participate in this misunderstanding (and that's not PR-speak--I think it really was a misunderstanding), but from what I know from emails from both of them, Melanie was not banned, only her administrative access was revoked.  

          In trying to hush Roastbeef I was trying to avoid this incredible outpouring of discussion about Melanie pro-and-con.  It's not that I think this discussion is irrelevent, misguided or unproductive--I actually think it's a worthy thing for the Kos folks to pursue.  My fear, however, is that in placing Melanie and her front-page offerings on such a brightly-lit pedestal, that she would be objectified to such a degree that it would be much harder for her to slip back into the discussions without a lot of embarrasing attention and fanfare.  I liked much of what Melanie wrote, and I hoped she would write a diary and continue to contribute to the boards.  I hope she eventually does.  

          As for censorship, I don't think that's really the issue.  If the Jason Blair thing had never occurred, there would still have been good cause for Howell Raines to be relieved as Managing Editor of the NYT over editorial decisions like cluttering the front page with stories about Brittany Spears, botox, and the umpteenth piece about Augusta National.  I'm not equating Melanie's pieces with frivolities like Brittany Spears.  But from his post above, it appears that Kos was concerned about editorial choices that filled his front page with too many pieces that strayed from what he sees as the editorial focus of his site.  

          Finally, if somebody reading this board is still unsatisfied with Kos' explanation and thinks he committed an injustice, please remember something.  The guy just became a father a couple days ago.  I carry no portfolio for him, and I am not charged with his defense.  But while I have yet to experience the elation and numbing exhaustion of new parenthood, I know that I would not want to try tactfully dealing with a situation that could lead to embarrassment to at least one of the involved parties a few days after becoming a father.  

          I hope I suceeded in expressing my thoughts with the generosity with which they are meant.  

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by DHinMI on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 01:22:24 PM PDT

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          •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

            I'll take that as an apology... that it was frustration and nothing personal.

            And I think if we want Melanie to be able to slip back in with as little turmoil as possible at that time in the future, then this thread has been a good thing.  The huge number of comments in this thread indicate (to me anyway) that this was something we needed to talk about.

            Since it seems I've become the posterchild for the anti-Melanie crowd let me be clear: I'm not anti-Melanie, I was against her selection of topics for the front page. "Hate the choices, not the chooser" I believe is something all the people of faith can agree with.

          •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

            DHnMI:

            Yes, you were successful.  Thank you for taking the time to post the above.  Well done.

          •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

            DHinMI,

             Further upthread, at  00:40:05 PST, a gilas girl wrote a post which contained a couple of questions and which, far more thoughtfully and eloquently than I could, addressed the salient issues. If someone could take the time to thoughtfully respond to that post I would be most appreciative. I think doing so would be good for the community, if there is indeed a community.

          •  Re: Why rate Kos? (none / 0)

            Colleen,

            I think I've exhausted what have to contribute other than to say:

            A. When AGG wrote her post she apparently had not seen Markos' post, which is at the head of this particualar thread.

            B. If anyone believes that Markos' action was prompted by Melanie's decision to do a post on religion and the calls for mob justice that ensued, then I probably wouldn't be posting anymore either.  If you check out my post "Church Going" you'll see that Melanie was not the only guest blogger to get grief over chosing to reflect on the intersection of electoral politics and religion.  

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by DHinMI on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 06:12:27 PM PDT

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    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (none / 0)

      Melanie was always interesting, but you are absolutely right Kos, her style was not right for dKos.

      In fact, were it not for business trips were I'll be away from the site for days on end, I would end the whole concept of guest posters. The Diaries are a treasure trove of great content worthy of the dKos homepage; and

      For dKos's sake Kos, it would be great if you could keep the guest posting and diary postings to a minimum. I for one have found the posts moving to the homepage and off too quickly. And Markos, your tightly written posts, and I don't mean to kiss ass here, are always the best. Would love to get back to the days when we had 90% Kos posts.

      Anyway, enjoy Ari....

    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (none / 0)

      Markos,

      Thanks for the explanation.  I thought it was necessary for people to know more about what actually happened and why.  Having said that, I think it was a mistake to totally revoke her guest hosting privileges.  The main reason for this is the timing.  You rightly say there is plenty in the diaries that can be promoted to the front page. But to follow an admittedly questionable day of posting by Melanie with a yanking of her guest poster status did not give her a chance to ease away gracefully.  I think you owed her that chance.

      The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

      by mikepridmore on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 02:59:08 PM PDT

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    •  Re: Why Melanie is gone (none / 1)

      I'm sorry you feel this way. I think you underestimate the power that guest posters can bring. While a vocal and belligerent majority called for her dismissal, there was a sizable portion who thought she brought to the table important issues that are distinctly missing from regular postings. I had hoped that her inclusion would bring about the inclusion of other guest posters who also would bring talent and experience to important discussions that are ignored. Religion being one of them, but there are many others. I have called for guest posters who are able to bring issues such as GLBTQ rights to light, since they are most certainly going to be used against us in the upcoming elections. And more importantly, these discussions must take place so that, inshallah, we should come to power during the next election, we will have a coherent policy that is able to withstand attacks from the right wing.

      I had hoped that Daily KOS was something different. I see that I am wrong in my hope. Unless someone steps up to address these issues, we will end up with another administration that is well versed in the majority's views on how the country should be run, but will be like the Clinton administration -- hopelessly ignorant on important issues of liberal minorities -- and easily selling us out when it is politically expedient.

      Very disappointing.

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