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  •  Re: When your puppets don't dance (3.80 / 5)

    Pie,
    Fareed, for some reason, fails to see that the civil war began the day Saddam fell. Kos is right on about the Shiites stratagy so far--sit back and let the Americans slew off Sunni strength.

    These tribes have no cultural tie to tolerance and discourse. They are inflamed, humiliated after years of repression, and have scores to settle with each other. So democracy is doomed, at least under the present 'national' structure.

    Obama is the more honorable person.

    by oofer on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 03:14:47 PM PDT

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    •  Re: When your puppets don't dance (3.85 / 7)

      These tribes have no cultural tie to tolerance and discourse. They are inflamed, humiliated after years of repression, and have scores to settle with each other. So democracy is doomed, at least under the present 'national' structure.

      Oh, I agree.   Read this article, which discusses their anger:

      While the US authorities maintain that resistance attacks are carried out by former Baathists and supporters of Saddam, they continue to ignore the tribal nature of the insurgency which has grown steadily over recent months. Deeply conservative clans like the 50,000-strong Albueisi have codes of honour which they complain the American army ignores at checkpoints and during raids on houses.

      They also believe that the Koran demands jihad against foreign invaders. Asked how many American lives should be taken if one of their own is killed, the answer is: 'As many as possible.'

      Sadly, the article is titled "Americans Sow Seeds of Hatred."

      Lovely.  Makes me feel so proud of the country ruled by Bush.

      •  Re: When your puppets don't dance (none / 1)

        Thank you for the link. I reccomend others to read it, too. It gives an inkling to the complex and, sadly, social structure of the tribes we seem to be ignoring.

        We would be so much better off helping weed the fields than 'protecting' ourselves.

        Obama is the more honorable person.

        by oofer on Sun Nov 09, 2003 at 03:46:49 PM PDT

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    •  Re: When your puppets don't dance (none / 1)

      Precisely.  Stanley Hoffman, among others, made this argument, and made it clearly, months before the invasion.
      Too much of America -including many who should have known better- trilled to empire.  Followed a fool to folly.

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