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  •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 1)

    I'm sorry, but you're wrong about the fact that "the Confederate flag flyers are unreachable".  The Democratic party's whole modern success strategy in the South has been to build a coalition between the local African-American population, the growing Latino population, and poor whites-- many of whom do fly the Confederate flag.  As distasteful as it is, a lot of the people flying it don't understand (or openly deny) the racist connotations of it.  They think it stands for rebellion, for identity, or for a jab against "PC culture".  Again, that interpretation is stupid and wrong, but it's widespread.

    Now you're RIGHT that some people are incredibly economically racist.  And you're right that all of these people are unreachable.  But not everyone who calls up the mythology of the rebel flag-- especially in something as minor as a bumper sticker-- is a member of that population  is to lump a lot of undeserved people into the group.  That would foolishly mean giving up on trying for a great number of winnable votes.

    And before anyone goes insane saying "what do YOU know about the South, Chicago boy", please keep in mind that I grew up in conservative Central Florida.  Florida's Democratic party had a coalition including poor whites for quite some time, in fact you could make a case that they formed more of a basis for Lawton Chiles long reign as Governor than other minorities did.  They turned out well to support Bob Graham and Bill Nelson, and made sure that McBride got the Democratic gubernatorial nomination over Janet Reno.  And yeah, my high school parking lot had its fair share of Confederate flag emblems, but I know for a fact that a number of those guys ended up voting for Al Gore over George W. Bush.

    Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

    by ChicagoDem on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 07:07:52 AM PDT

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    •  Another point (none / 0)

      The Deep South is the region with the most widespread government investment.  You have the highest per capita expenditures on welfare, jobs programs, and Medicare in the South.  Contrary to GOP propaganda, much of the recepients of these programs are poor whites.  Add in the cost of maintaining military bases and it's easy to see why Federal spending often looks like taking taxes from the Northeast, Midwest, and West Coast and pouring them into the Deep South... which then goes on to elect people who whine about how high the taxes are.

      There's a reason why many of the Republicans in places like AL, MS, AR, LA, FL, and GA focus on cultural rather than economic issues: cultural issues are much easier to sell.  Telling poor whites "I want to cut your Medicare" is going to get them angry at you, even if they do have a Confederate flag on their bumper sticker.  If you can get a Republican in the South to stop ranting about God, guns, or gays long enough to admit that he wants to dismantle the benefits his constituents depend on you've gone a long way to winning the election.

      Read James Loewen's "Sundown Towns"!

      by ChicagoDem on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 07:26:03 AM PDT

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    •  Confederate Flags in Ireland (none / 0)

      As distasteful as it is, a lot of the people flying it don't understand (or openly deny) the racist connotations of it.  They think it stands for rebellion, for identity, or for a jab against "PC culture".

      I was surprised by the number of Confederate flags I saw in Ireland, or more specifically, County Cork. At the All-Ireland match, for example, a lot of them were being waved. I'd see them up in stores in Cork City too.

      There are two reasons:

      1. Cork's county colours are the same as the Confederate flag.
      2. Cork is known as the "Rebel County." (Michael Collins is from Cork, for one example.)
      But I doubt many people realize the racist connotations that the CF has and what it means in the US.
    •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

      And before anyone goes insane saying "what do YOU know about the South, Chicago boy"

      I can hear John Edwards now!

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