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  •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

    It is to laugh.

    Is it, honestly?  Do you honestly believe these things are symmetrical and parallel?  Is there an entire culture industry focused on ridiculing "the North"?  Is there an accepted reading of history anywhere that sees the North as having historical and genetic (exaggeration) faults that run to the core of its very existence?  The two simply aren't the same and trying to compare them (Edwards' comment was as insensitive as Dean's) constructs a false symmetry that makes the issue "easy" but distorts what is going on.  

    Julia's post is dead on; the unspoken part of what is going on is economic and these questions (like all important social questions in the US) remain racialized.  Dean (and other pragmatic middle class folk) who want to ignore that or pretend the issue isn't "race" but "class" don't get it.  

    BTW: What the entry is pointing out is also primarily responsible for the "anti-big government" crusade and acceptance around the country.  When people say they don't want the government doing things, they really mean they don't want the government hiring black people to do things that private industry will hire white people to do, hence more "efficiency".  That's also what they mean when they talk about government "incompetence".  This is what people in the south mean when they say this, its also what republicans in many areas mean when they say this.    

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 10:50:49 AM PDT

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    •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

      Is it, honestly?

      Yes.

      Do you honestly believe these things are symmetrical and parallel?

      Yes.  Or, if they aren't, the problem is the South's, not everybody else's.

      Dean (and other pragmatic middle class folk) who want to ignore that or pretend the issue isn't "race" but "class" don't get it.

      So, as I understand it, the hypothesis is that Dean is wrong for appealing to poor Southerners regardless of race, and Edwards is right for appealing to those same Southerners' worst racist instincts?

      •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

        So, as I understand it, the hypothesis is that Dean is wrong for appealing to poor Southerners regardless of race, and Edwards is right for appealing to those same Southerners' worst racist instincts?

        Then you understand it badly.  

        Dean is not wrong because he is appealing to poor Southerners (and poor other regioners), his wrong in the way he is doing it, by pretending that race doesn't matter, when everyone who lives in that region knows that it does.  Of course race matters in this country.  He'd be better off speaking plainly about it. (That's how he managed to offend both Edwards and Sharpton at the  same time).  Edwards wasn't appealing to a "racist instinct" but to the "protection of home and Southern identity" instinct.  Now, those two are closely tied up with racism, no doubt, but if you reduce them to this parallel, then you miss how the whole racial coding works.  And if you want to break up the racial coding you need to first understand it.  The fact that your parallelize these things, shows how you, like Dean, are reducing the issue down to components that, while important, aren't enough to fix anything.  Continuing to make parallels where there is no symmetry will only obstruct the process.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 12:32:24 PM PDT

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    •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

      Dean (and other pragmatic middle class folk) who want to ignore that or pretend the issue isn't "race" but "class" don't get it.

      Well, then it's really fortunate that that's not what he's saying.

      cdm at northwestern dot edu

      by cdmarine on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 02:09:58 PM PDT

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