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  •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

    You seem to have missed the first part of my 'or' statement. I offered "pure politics" as one possibility, not the only one.

    It might not have been politics. You seem to be suggesting that Edwards was evincing a genuine emotional reaction. Which I find strange, since Dean had been making that point for months and months as has been documented extensively, so for Edwards to have his emotional epiphany on national television seems awfully convenient. In any case, even if I accept that, then what you're asking me to accept is that Edwards and others who are resentful of Dean-The-Mighty-Northerner are correct in their position that where you come from and what color your skin is matter more than what you say and what policies you espouse. As I said, I find that deplorable.

    I went to a couple of very fine educational institutions where I took undergraduate and graduate courses in things like women's studies and religious studies and other liberal arts (and also acquired a couple of technical degrees along the way) and where we talked at length about the complex, interlocking, interrelated issues such as gender, race, and class and how deep and weighty these things are. I've got bell hooks on the bookshelf right next to me.  I agree -- this is deep stuff. But, I also note that all of those ivory tower conversations have solved very few real problems.

    You can find fault with Dean's pragmatic approach -- fine. It's what I appreciate most about it him -- the problems this country faces are so deep and so systemic and we are heading in such the wrong direction that I think a heads-down executive problem-solver heading in the right direction (even if not far enough) is exactly the right antidote. I think it's about time we tried just slicing through the knottiness (as someone alluded previously), instead of dancing around filling up bookshelves worth of paper exploring the complexity and rarely actually accomplishing anything.

    You assume Dean believes these issues are "one-dimensional," I don't. What I assume is that he actually wants to accomplish something and make forward progress instead of suffering from analysis paralysis.

    As for "Dean-colored glasses," that's really not even worthy of a response. If I'd heard Edwards make his "people like you" remark before I knew Howard Dean's name I'd be just as offended. It's appallingly parochial from someone who wants to be a national candidate.

    -- The going's good in the land of the free, but I live in another country. -- Bob Hillman

    by J from VJ on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:45 PM PDT

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    •  Re: What Dean Doesn't Get (none / 0)

      In any case, even if I accept that, then what you're asking me to accept is that Edwards and others who are resentful of Dean-The-Mighty-Northerner are correct in their position that where you come from and what color your skin is matter more than what you say and what policies you espouse. As I said, I find that deplorable.

      No, that's not what I'm asking you to accept at all.  In fact, I believe that the only way to address this issue is to be MORE upfront about the racial dimensions and the way they are woven into other dimensions, enabling those of us who want to ignore them (in the South and the North and the Midwest and the West Coast and all the comfortable suburban homes where white folks have been trying to escape the question for 45 years)to do so.  Its clear that what Dean meant was "rednecks" both Southern and not Southern (plenty of pick-up driving, cf decal wearing white folk who vote R in his part of the country, the rust belt and the mountain west.) so I wish he'd just said that, then clarifed it with a context that demonstrated he understands how bloody complicated this all is.  His trying to simplify it is what got him into trouble, and claiming moral high ground over overt racism in a country that still functions with racial structures to this day is both condescending and a little disingenuous.  That's the problem the Democratic party has in the South, but with folks like me on the left, too.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Tue Dec 02, 2003 at 12:27:09 PM PDT

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