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by mickey on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 07:25:56 PM PDT
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Where I come from "I don't know where they're going to go" doesn't translate into "Dems are doomed if I lose the nomination." And "They're certainly not going to vote for a conventional Washington politician" translates into, they'll probably support someone like Wes Clark.
I rock knobs!
by Jumbo on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 07:29:46 PM PDT
I was a disillusioned Dean Democrat...then I had something to fight for again.
by New Left 2004 on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 07:41:07 PM PDT
Yeah you may be right there Jumbo, and maybe I'm overeacting a bit, but his message is pretty clear, that for lots of his supporters its hims or nobody, and I personally dont like that message at all. Its unecessary and divisive, and personally I expect more from Dean, being in the lead and all, I really expect him to be more of a uniter at this point.
by mickey on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 08:15:48 PM PDT
by Jumbo on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 08:23:12 PM PDT
This smacks of political naivete and/or artificial positioning on your part.
This is the primary battle. "Uniting" by a "Uniter" comes afterward, by the presumptive nominee in conjunction with the DNC and other organisations.
by Marisacat on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 08:46:39 PM PDT
... now watch this drive.
by jg on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 09:24:11 PM PDT
*John McCain is aware of the Internet*
by MichaelPH on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 09:20:38 PM PDT
Still, this has finally allowed me to figure it out what so many people don't get about Dean: he talks about things he can't control without disclaimers that he can't control them.
On several occasions, Dean's said something along the lines of "If Thing X happens, I think Bad Consequence Y might happen." And altogether too many people somehow manage to hear this as "If Thing X happens, I will actively try and bring about Bad Consequence Y."
I guess it must be a doctor thing. "Your diet is mostly fatty foods. If you keep that up, you risk obesity," is a noncontroversial diagnosis. Similarly, "Many of my supporters are people who were brought back into the process because of what I had to say. If the eventual nominee is someone who rejects what I had to say, they may not stay in the process," also should be a noncontroversial diagnosis. And (follow the pretty little logic chain) since we know that Dean believes the only way to win this election is to bring in people who didn't vote last time, "If the people who aren't in the process stay out of the process, we can't win this election," is also a noncontroversial diagnosis. The difference between my version and Dean's is that my version is the one calibrated for the infamous eleven-year-old's attention span, while Dean's is the one aimed at a thinking adult.
On an entirely unrelated note (and this is not specifically directed at you, mickey, but I want to limit my participation in this particular iteration of Dean Flamewar #217 to one comment):
ANYBODY WHO HAS EVER CALLED DEAN "UNELECTABLE", OR ENDORSED ANOTHER CANDIDATE'S CHARGES THAT DEAN IS "UNELECTABLE", HAS NO STANDING WHATSOEVER TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS QUOTE.
...unless, that is, you don't mind looking like a rank hypocrite.
January 20, 2005: Fooled us twice. Shame on us.
by schwa on Sun Dec 28, 2003 at 09:41:30 PM PDT
And haven't all the other guys say the Dems are doomed if Dean DOES get the nomination?
It's primary talk. Dean has already said he'll support whoever wins, and I still believe he will.
by markdonelson on Mon Dec 29, 2003 at 02:21:00 AM PDT
wide narrow
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