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  •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

    Dean does better in this poll than the ones before Saddam was captured. Does anyone have an explanation for this?

    by Box 13 on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:17:48 PM PDT

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      Truth resonates.

      -- The going's good in the land of the free, but I live in another country. -- Bob Hillman

      by J from VJ on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:19:43 PM PDT

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    •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

      Because Dean is right. We aren't safer, and all the death, the orange alert, the canceled flights prove that.  

      Well, we all promised to be ABB. So, I grudgingly support John Kerry for President in 2004.

      by AEDem2004 on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:20:12 PM PDT

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    •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

      Try this story on for size.

      by kos on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:20:18 PM PDT

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      •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

        You got to love Dean's willingness to not cede control of the debate. Quoted from the above article:
         

        Dean said even though he opposed the Iraq war, his greatest fear now is that "this administration will pull out of Iraq too early for political reasons," Dean said.

        If that happens, al-Qaida will move into Iraq and become more powerful than ever.

        "My fear is that the (Karl) Rove polls will tell him (Bush), 'You've gotta get out, you've gotta get out,' and he'll start doing that," Dean said, referring to Bush's chief political adviser.

        by Braintan on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:28:06 PM PDT

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          I was just about to cite those exact lines!  I like how Dean pre-emptively pulls the curtain on how Bush operates.

          You have the power to change America. Yes. We. Can.

          by CA Pol Junkie on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:31:24 PM PDT

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        •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

          things like that is why he has the best chance to win IMO among the current candidates. the only one i see doing anything like what Dean does with the debate is Clark, when he's given the chance. the rest let themselves get jerked around.

          a sometimes genius

          by skaiserbrown on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:31:28 PM PDT

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            I think this sub-thread seizes on what could be the key to the election -- if Dean (or Clark) can make the case that Bush is pulling out for political gain it will show how transparently self-serving the whole operation was. Even for those who supported the war, the idea that we are leaving the Iraquis in the lurch because of Bush's re-election will speak to the fundamental problem people, even his supporters, have with Bush -- how intensely political everything is and how lacking in principle he is.

            The Plame affair helps make this case.

            by desmoulins on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:42:58 PM PDT

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      •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

        That was a boot right to the nuts.

        The craven arrogance of Bush/Rove will be their own undoing.

        Al Gore is still my president

        by Sidhe on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:32:19 PM PDT

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      •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

        Exactly so.

        Now, if we can convince half the people Saddam did not order the WTC attack ...

        Walter L Battaglia

        by WalterB on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 10:34:16 PM PDT

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      Well there is a new AP report out with Howard quoted as saying:
       Well, you have an Orange alert, international flights cancelled, others being escorted by F-16s AND they continue to die in Iraq, and it wasn't ever Saddam, it was Al Quaida, but who who who... did we go after... ?

      by Marisacat on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:23:12 PM PDT

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    •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

      Here is a poll:

      "As a result of the capture of Saddam Hussein, do you think the threat of terrorism against the United States will increase, decrease, or stay about the same?"

      12/21-22/03 Increase 31%, Decrease 15%, Same 51%

      It seems like the people agree that capturing Saddam has not made us any safer.

      You have the power to change America. Yes. We. Can.

      by CA Pol Junkie on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:24:49 PM PDT

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      Dean was right and the people know it.

      May you live in Interesting Times

      by Chris Andersen on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:26:14 PM PDT

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      Not only Orange alert, but Mad Cow -- Americans do not feel safer.

      by rlm on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:26:34 PM PDT

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    •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (none / 0)

      Yeah, the Orange Xmas and New Year's resonated more with voters (how safe do you feel?) than Saddam's capture.

      Dean was apparently right, and people are cluing in--thus the closing numbers in the Bush v Dean head to head.

      We need not think alike to love alike -- Ferenc Dávid

      by ogre on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 10:02:01 PM PDT

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      Not only was he right, but by speaking up against the wave of emotion and CW, he again showed that he is a LEADER - not a follower.

      This is a scary time right now, and people do need to feel like thier President will protect them. Folks respond more to personality traits than "policies". Dean is fearless, he fights, he is tough, smart, and right 95% of the time. These are great traits to have in these times - and balls are important too. That's why Rove made sure Bush's were on prominent display on the flight deck. In contrast, Dean never has to display his, because they are so prominently on display in his actions.

      by PLS on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 10:49:39 PM PDT

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      •  Re: CNN/Time National Poll (3.66 / 3)

        And once again the press is made to seem like fools for repeating the party line that we of course are safer and Dean is an idiot for thinking otherwise.  How do these people keep their jobs?  It reminds me of the economist who made such a big deal over Y2K (Yardeni).  Still has his job, still pontificating on CNBC.  Didn't miss a beat when nothing happened, not even in countries that spent no money upgrading.

        I keep telling you young 'uns.  The people aren't stupid. They want to believe the best of their leaders.  But they do get it in the end.  Ask Richard Nixon.  It just takes time.  Be patient and ready to strike when the time comes.

        John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

        by Mimikatz on Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 11:25:05 PM PDT

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