i can't believe the naderite like pissing and moaning by dean supporters i see here on atrios etc... as a very far left leaning minnesota wellstone (bless his sole) democrat (old enough to have helped elect him the first time) ... i would love to see a president dean. that said ... we have got to support the candidate that has a chance at beating bush (current polls give kerry the edge over bush) and has been picked by voters (who although you may not believe it ... are every bit as smart and as you are). after careful deliberation in their respective states. don't you think operatives within the right wing would be above turning deans supporters against kerry? or that at some point - dirty tricks within the kerry campaign would eventually be leaked by someone? a long time ago i learned from an old crook - the only way to keep a secret is to keep it to yourself.

enough conspiracy theorizing that only helps elect one man: bush. get behind the dem nominee whomever he is ... or the entire world will suffer for forseeable future, and your butterfly wings flapping will have helped create that hurricane.

first posted on pandagon

Before thinking to himself, "Oh shoot, was the caucus on Walnut Street . . . or Maple street!?!"

Always go for the simplest explanation - someone at Dean Headquarters got the address wrong.

Nothing against the people or state of LA. Their politicos play for keeps down there.

The reason I keep pushing the fact that it could be a mistake is because I think the whole story is sour grapes bullshit.  

Here are a few of my main objections to the whiney, self-defeating, conspiratorial, conjectures going on this post.

1.  This kind of speculative Bullshit is what dogged Clinton for eight years - Vince Foster's murder, his illegitimate love child, ad nausea.  The most alarming thing about it was the Left bought into the obvious Heritage Foundation story plants without any shred of evidence.  
2.  The article mentions robo-calling with the wrong address, but on this thread that has expanded to every paranoid campaign fantasy in the book, including the stuff about Dean's Jewish wife.  The Jewish wife thing is itself, if true, which I highly doubt, pretty much excludes Kerry from a possible participant.  One, I know for a fact he would never condone that, and two even if you believe your wild "Kerry is an Slimy Sea Monster" stuff people are posting here (and you are talking about a decorated war hero who marched on Washington against Nixon before most of these posters were even born!), its just too risky to do something like that.  There is no way even the W teams (who ARE a bunch of slimy sea monsters) would do calls like that.  
3.  If this practice was so widespread, why aren't there any tape recordings of these calls?  Didn't someone have an answering machine they could switch on.  If this practice were so widespread, there would be some evidence other than a supposed Trippi uttering in a not-yet-published article of GQ.  Without evidence, this story is a joke.  
4. You hear this stuff, anytime a popular candidate loses.  When Brown lost in New York, we all griped about how Clinton Staffers tore down our signs.  When Dinkins lost to Giuliani, we all blew out of proportion stories about cops keeping inner city blacks from the polls (I was in Brownsville on election day 1993 - Didn't happen). Gore lost in Florida because of the purging of the voter lists (sure that didn't help, but Gore lost in Florida because starry-eyed kids voted for Nader).  I'm not saying Dean can't win the nomination, but I guarantee he has no chance if all his people sit here wallowing in this "woe-is-me, I got dirty tricked" crap.
5.  Dean lost in Iowa because DEMOCRATS perceived that he has no chance against Bush, Before Iowa all I heard from any of my committed (over age 30 friends) was, "Is Dean actually the candidate we're going go with in this thing?  We're gonna get killed." Do you under-30's really think you have the right to tell life-long Democrats who've fought these wars their entire live's that the only reason your candidate could possibly lose is because he got dirty tricked?   Point being, there are reasons why candidates win and candidates lose.  Dean fell in Iowa sure, but Kerry also ROSE in Iowa.  No one has ever gotten dirty-tricked from all directions like Clinton did (his opponents launched a phony impeachment against him, they published books calling him a murderer, they made up stories about his wife being a lesbian), but he won because he's a good candidate. Even if all the wildest stuff on here were true, which I sincerely doubt, it wouldn't make any difference if Dean were a good enough Candidate.  Here in Georgia I don't know a single Democrat over age 30 who supports Dean, and the campaigns haven't spent one red cent here.  Unlike Northeasterners, here in Georgia, with no state government to protect us, we actually KNOW what its like to live under Republican rule, which is why we're so, committed to ending it.    
6.  Say Dean does find a way to make pigs fly and becomes the candidate?  Are you gonna drag this whiney, the whole world is against me crap into the general election?
7.  Democrats shouldn't make unsubstantiated charges against other Democrats in a public forum without evidence.  Give me evidence and this is a different story, but there is none, so we should drop it. This story is like when I go to Drudge and see "Dean has sex with monkey . . . Developing" In other words, it's an unsubstantiated smear.
8.  Finally, its just plain funny to me to think about all these incredibly earnest youngsters going to the end of the earth to find a "Kerry-connection" when the answer could be as simple as a wrong address.  Even if you hate my views, you gotta admit the "Walnut Street . . . or Maple Street!?!" thought is funny.