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  •  Maybe you're right (none / 0)

    I can't say that you aren't. I only hope that people can see through the fool's gold the neocons are offering - I have the audacity to hope even if I am wrong, which I probably am in the short run. You are right that what the GOP offers answers fears in a way that what the Dems have doesn't. And in this, I think the Dems are fundamentally much more realistic about how terrorism operates. This is because I think their (the neocons, the Bush administration) strategy for fighting terrorism is stuck in a model that provides primacy to nation-states when nation-states are becoming less and less important because of technology, economic change, cultural change, etc. See books like Phillip Bobbitt's "Achilles Shield" or David Harvey's "The Condition of Postmodernity." Indeed, the very regions where terrorism flourishes are those where enlightenment, eurocentric nation-statism has failed - that was what the whole 20th century was about in some ways - and what terrorism is a reaction to. You are going to defeat it by going back to the age of imperialism and trying to impose these models again - why would the Middle East/Africa, etc. be any more amenable to Eurocentric models today than it was in, say, 1919. Indeed, reading David Fromkin's book ("The War to End All Wars") is particularly depressing in this regard, as the same crap is happening again. It is like the AEI scholars learned nothing from the past century.

    Fundamentally, though, they are wrong, because they want to wish away cultural difference and an ugly colonial history and suggest that enemy we face today is just like say Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union without any of the extremely important contextual and historical elements I have mentioned.

    Ben Pr

    •  You make good points. (none / 0)

      "See books like Phillip Bobbitt's "Achilles Shield" or David Harvey's "The Condition of Postmodernity." Indeed, the very regions where terrorism flourishes are those where enlightenment, eurocentric nation-statism has failed - that was what the whole 20th century was about in some ways - and what terrorism is a reaction to. You are going to defeat it by going back to the age of imperialism and trying to impose these models again - why would the Middle East/Africa, etc."

      To be fair though, its not that Enlightenment has failed in the middle east, but rather that the people of the region (and the broader Arab and Muslim world) have never had the opportunity for democratic self-governance. Enlightenment values are certainly tied to a strong central government, but not the kinds of monarchies, and Arab nationalist dictatorships that have existed in the middle east for decades.

      I haven't the slightest idea if the neocnoservative crusade will succeed in establishing liberal democracies in Iraq and elsewhere in the Arab world, but it seems more than possible, if not likely, that the people of the Arab world may well not elect the kind of client governments the neocons imagine they will. Furthermore, as I said in that diary a few days ago, it also seems quite possible if not likely that one of the ironic byproducts of this whole enterprise could be the end of Israel, and the establishment of a single state with equal rights and protections for both Jews and Palestenians. Seeing the look on Bill Kristol and Richard Perles faces if that happens would also be worth the price of carrying this whole policy to its logical conclusion.

      "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson

      by spot on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 02:10:52 AM PDT

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