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  •  Maggie Had the Power - And She Used It (none / 0)

    yes, women have testosterone.  no they don't have the power to wage war.

    See Margaret Thatcher, Britain v. Argentina in the Falkland Islands War, 1982.

    No more Republican rule.

    by HarveyMilk on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 03:45:53 PM PDT

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    •  you are so right (none / 0)

      i was thinking locally and not globally

      by TravnTexas on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 03:48:03 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, and (none / 0)

        all those things I mentioned (Nascar, football, etc) have many, many females fans. And of course there are women who lack a conscience. Women sometimes love power enough to sign something that will hurt or even kill thousands innocent people. But it seems that hand-to-hand style of cruelty is still much rarer.

        by guidess on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 03:54:00 PM PDT

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      •  Locally (none / 0)

        Female Senate Votes Regarding the Iraq War Resolution

        For:

        Blanche Lincoln (D): Yes
        Dianne Feinstein (D): Yes
        Mary Landrieu (D): Yes
        Susan Collins (R): Yes
        Olympia Snowe (R): Yes
        Jean Carnahan (D): Yes
        Hillary Clinton (D): Yes
        Kay Bailey Hutchison (R): Yes
        Maria Cantwell (D): Yes

        Against:

        Barbara Boxer (D): No
        Barbara Mikulski (D): No
        Debbie Stabenow (D): No
        Patty Murray (D): No  

        No more Republican rule.

        by HarveyMilk on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 04:24:52 PM PDT

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        •  Isn't this the same vote that Kerry said yes on? (none / 0)

          or am I mistaken?
          wasn't this the give GWB a chance to go once more to the UN and he didn't?
          and you know, 13 votes of women does not a war make.  and 13 women in the senate does not a majority make.
          I realize that a handful of women have led their countries into war.  what about the rest of the wars.

          by TravnTexas on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 04:56:31 PM PDT

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          •  The War Was/Is Wrong (none / 0)

            And it was wrong to vote for the IWR, no matter what you have for genitals.  It's why I didn't support Kerry in the primaries. It's why it took me a long time to decide to support him after he won the nomination.  

            But, back to the topic.  While there is not a majority of women in the Senate, of the 13 women that are there, 9 of them voted in favor of the IWR.

            No more Republican rule.

            by HarveyMilk on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 05:10:24 PM PDT

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            •  i agree with you (none / 0)

              the war was wrong, illegal, wrong
              when Bush started talking about the war I was yelling at the television.

              I can't begin to understand a senator's vote.  I'm not there, I don't have that responsibilty.

              I realize that some of my response here is just from a hunger to talk about feminism, about its place in the democratic party, and indeed if it has a place.

              I don't know if women would do better then men.  I don't know that.  when women wield more than 50% of power in all branches of our government, then maybe we'll know.  

              and then again, maybe not, because in order to have power you have to buy into the power structure.  you have to buy into what makes and keeps power.  in this day, it seems to me that keeping power corrupts those in power and approaching it.  women are just as vulnerable as men to that coruption.
              dadgumit i wish i could spell  :-)

              by TravnTexas on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 05:32:24 PM PDT

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              •  I agree with you, too (none / 0)

                To an extent.  It is not an automatic thing that because you are a woman, you cannot possibly be a war-mongering idiot.  

                Here is the money shot (if you'll pardon the expression) of the whole thread, IMO:

                because in order to have power you have to buy into the power structure.

                That's very much true.  And if we ever get to the place of true equality, i.e, a government that is 52% female, maybe that power structure will be kinder and gentler, and our female leaders won't be tempted to out-butch the men.

                No more Republican rule.

                by HarveyMilk on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 05:52:15 PM PDT

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