in the 1940s, would you want your country to "win" in Leningrad? London? Paris?

"oh, why YES, of course. I opposed going to war in the first place, but now that we're there...I support the troops..."

I do not want troops to die, and I don't want us to "lose" by being their physically slaughtered. I do want us to "lose" by simply not being successful in imposing "our" will upon the middle east, in any corner, in any way. Thus, the best outcome would be some circumstance in which Bush was forced to withdraw, his tail between his legs.

Powell's already planting disinfo about Iranian nukes, and I heard that USA today ran a story about "discovering" shipments of sarin from Iraq to Syria, thus planting the meme-seed that will lead to an attack there. "Victory" in Iraq would mean that we would soon be blowing Iranian and Syrian children to pieces as well.

Interesting. This diary is quite similar to mine from a few days ago, where I answered this very question and more or less got bulldozed for it.