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  •  there's apparently agreement for it to come out (none / 0)

    next week, but we'll have to follow that. With such a public battering last night, this time at least , I think it's out.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by DemFromCT on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 09:48:36 AM PDT

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    •  I wouldn't count on it... (none / 0)

      From what I read re: the intelligence reform (I still think that's an oxymoron) I don't know if the house will even come back for session next week. Even if they do, do you trust Delay to take it out, even if they "gave their word" that they would? It would probably lead to a big shit storm, but these guys are getting bolder and bolder.

      Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

      by Toktora on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 10:01:30 AM PDT

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      •  thank God for CSPAN2 (none / 1)

        I believe they're committed, else McCain And Grassley look likr dorks along with Stevens, who gave his word on TV not in the back room.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by DemFromCT on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 10:17:00 AM PDT

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        •  Not everyone watched... (none / 1)

          You must remember that only a handful of us actually saw that exchange yesterday. Must people are blissfully ignorant of the fact this even happened. Even if they read something about the bill they didn't hear about how bad this provision is. Sure the senators will lose some face, but they can blame it on the house. And McCain voted against it, he won't lose much face (don't remember about Grassley).

          I'm just trying to say, keep an eye on this. I don't believe it's a dead issue. Be on the lookout for backdoor chicanery (and I thought the republicans were against that kind of "interaction").

          Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

          by Toktora on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 10:22:15 AM PDT

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          •  you misunderstand... (none / 1)

            the public doesn't even know about this, but Boxer and Feinsteion do and they have this on tape. So do the political reporters. This is not going to be easy to renege.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by DemFromCT on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 10:26:36 AM PDT

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            •  That is true... (none / 0)

              I hadn't thought about that side of this. I would still watch the issue develop in the house (wonder when they'll take it up and how we find out). My personal oppinion of the house leadership is they will do and say anything to screw their opponents, and this could become another example of this approach to governing.

              Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity, only not as much fun.

              by Toktora on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 10:32:03 AM PDT

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              •  Also... (4.00 / 3)

                and I can't say I have any real basis for thinking this is what's behind it: in the Senate, if you vote with the majority on passage of a bill, you're entitled to call it back up for reconsideration, I believe within a certain time frame after passage.

                Sometimes you'll see a Senator who's opposed to a bill or a particular provision in a bill switch his or her vote in order to be able to do this.

                The Democrats who voted to pass the bill may very well legitimately support it, for whatever reasons. But they may also be guaranteeing themselves the right to move for reconsideration if the bill comes back and they discover the offensive provisions haven't been removed.

                by Kagro X on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 01:07:15 PM PDT

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          •  Frist can't afford to piss Grassley off. (none / 0)

            If they lose him to the Bullmoosers, the numbers are there to cut a formal coation deal with the Dems.

            This is a test of the Emergency Free Speech System.
            This is only a test.
            If this had been an actual emergency, I'd already be locked up.

            by ben masel on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 02:02:55 PM PDT

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    •  Istook ITR "Amendment" (none / 0)

      Whether or not they take it out doesn't matter; when going about their "business", Republican committee heads will take a peak at Americans' tax returns whenever they're requested to by the NeoCon Fascists.

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      by ROGNM on Sun Nov 21, 2004 at 11:32:22 AM PDT

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