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  •  What we have (4.00)
    is a weak democracy, but a strong governance mechanism.  In some of the Eur-Asian nations you are discussing as a model, I think, perhaps the reverse is true: the sense of democracy and the demand for it to actually be practiced is stronger than in the US, but the governance mechanisms are weaker, and therefore respond to the organic democracy that takes place on the streets in a way that doesn't happen here.  

    In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

    by a gilas girl on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 07:31:57 AM PST

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    •  Excellent (none)
      I had not thought about it in those terms, gilas; I think that you are quite correct.

      Which is worse: becoming "unviable," or remaining silent on things that matter? ~~Dean

      by GOTV on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 08:06:41 AM PST

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    •  Fascinating point (none)
      our government is freer to ignore "organic democracy" because the governance model has been around for so long.  So how do we strengthen the organic democracy side of this equation in the United States?

      "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." Mencken "This is one of those times." Me

      by jsmdlawyer on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 08:22:11 AM PST

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      •  I've been arguing for two years here (4.00)
        that we need to reinvigorate the public's understanding of democracy and then inspire them to act on that understanding to demand changes.  If you look at the discomfort that large numbers of the populace have with the idea of protest and how they are "put off" by it, that tells you that we've forgotten the stuffing of democracy: everybody still holds on to the outlines of democracy, i.e. elections, but they hold so tight to elections as the marker of a democracy without realizing that its just an empty casing.

        We have to talk about politics beyond elections; we have to remind people that unions are in fact about democracy in the workplace (and that should not be a foreign concept); we have to remind them that the public sphere is the place for all ideas to be hashed out, that a democracy works when multiple interests are represented, not when we erase competing interests and speak only a language of compromise and centrism; we have to broaden the terms of public discussion and make democracy and democratic principles part of that discussion.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 08:43:09 AM PST

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        •  Count me in (none)
          to any process to accomplish what you propose.

          "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." Mencken "This is one of those times." Me

          by jsmdlawyer on Sat Nov 27, 2004 at 07:02:03 PM PST

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