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by understandinglife on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:09:43 PM PDT
but as a citizen, i need to know that this system isn't rigged.
i need to have faith in the electoral process.
if i don't i won't vote. i won't even care. & i won't live here.
a democracy w/o the trust of it's citizens is not going to survive.
for the love of god & to get all these people who believe it was stolen (& those of us who wonder) to relax, COUNT ALL THE VOTES
kerry & edwards owe us this. & edwards better finish this if he wants it to not bite him politically later.
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by krazypuppy on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:18:20 PM PDT
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And quite frankly, it's best if the Democrats in Ohio and Florida do that on their own, without being pushed by Kerry (HINT HINT). Kerry can take a step back, concede, and assume the election is over. If it proves, two weeks from now, that Ohio has screwed up and that the certified total really does change the outcome -- which, everyone should realize, is very, very unlikely given these overall numbers -- then Kerry wins, whether he has "graciously conceded" or not.
Personally, I do think there was quite a bit of fraud, but I don't think it was enough to change the outcome. Florida is more odd, and I'd like to see recounts there perhaps even more than in Ohio. Not because I think it would change the outcome, but because we need to have evidence that the system is working.
There is no possible reason not to recount the votes. After 2000, it would be a good exercise, either way, in determining whether the problems have been "fixed".
But in-state Dems need to get off their asses and do it, and not wait for Kerry/Gore/Dean whoever to swoop down and rescue them. For nationwide political reasons, they can't do that right now.
by Hunter on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:44:54 PM PDT
by LowellR on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:24:43 PM PDT
But we need some Ohioans to step up and file the challenge, either way. And so far I'm not hearing anyone has, which is just silly.
by Hunter on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:38:19 PM PDT
by LowellR on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:26:36 AM PDT
The Ohio party leadership has been asleep since Verne Riffe left.
That's why everyone in the US had better contribute time or money to the Jerry Springer for governor campaign. Hey, if Arnold can win so can Jerry. He is actually a very astute politician and I think he can win. But he needs help from around the country.
Forget working on the Senate in O6. If you want to help this country you had better get a democratic spine in Ohio.
I hated Bush before it was cool.
by daveriegel on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:50:48 PM PDT
when?
I'm up for money, at least. It's obvious we need governors. Otherwise, it's rigged against us. FL and OH both.
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by M Aurelius on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:07:51 PM PDT
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by ksh01 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:21:22 PM PDT
Anyone can blog local races. Anyone can raise money.
by bonobo on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:49:59 PM PDT
by 4corners on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:35:00 PM PDT
by green in brooklyn on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:11:26 PM PDT
by 4corners on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:39:33 PM PDT
But - my read of Ohio law is that the 20 Presidential Electors are in fact themselves the candidates up for election, and therefore THEY personally and individually have legal standing to initiate a recount (needing only a legal and PR team and lots of $$$).
Start networking and maybe there's one out there who is as frustrated as we are.
It's probably not appropriate to put their names here; it's really not appropriate for anyone who has real-life contact with any of them to describe that sort of negotiation in this sort of forum.
But as many people as possible should be thinking of their networks and should be passing this idea around wherever they can, to see if someone can persuade one of these people to do the significant that they may ever do for their country.
List of Ohio's electors is here: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/01/loc_elex1melect.html
by BleacherBum153 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:32:32 PM PDT
Or Oprah, since we're talking about African-American disenfranchisement?
Why doesn't Move-On call a rally in Ohio?
Recount Ohio Vote Everyone!
Oops, that spells R.O.V.E.
Maybe someone could think of a better rallying cry.
by jos on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:23:31 PM PDT
Make Art, Not War
by The Mockingbird on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:42:35 PM PDT
What about getting Jerry Springer involved? He's been a big Kerry advocate, and he must know tons of people in Ohio.
His website is www.jerryspringer.com but it is blocked from view (appartently due to adult content) here at the office so I can't tell if there's an email address on the site.
Anway, just a thought.
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by rina on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:42:19 PM PDT
Jerry is running for governor in 06 and needs support.
by daveriegel on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:57:21 PM PDT
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by jigsaw68 on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 04:39:24 PM PDT
by The Mockingbird on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:46:24 PM PDT
Relax, Kerry lost and nothing will change that. Kerry and his supporters would have to turn everything on it's head. They are so demoralized by this election they have no will to do anything right now. 23 posted on 11/04/2004 5:18:52 PM PST by msjhall [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]
This is my first post, so it is a little weird that the content comes from someone else. I'm an independent who always votes the person over the party and I will have more to say when the diary phase of my registration kicks in. Until then, fight the fucking power.
by GIMBLEROCK on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:43:45 PM PDT
wide narrow
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