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  •  Agreed. (4.00 / 9)

    By the way, however, I think people are dramatically overestimating the significance of Kerry's "concession".  "Conceding" the election has no legal significance.  If recounts show he won, then he won... he can "un-concede" without much difficulty.  He made a smart and classy speech, and the door is still open to do whatever recounts and investigations are necessary to ensure the vote counts are, indeed, accurate.

    And quite frankly, it's best if the Democrats in Ohio and Florida do that on their own, without being pushed by Kerry (HINT HINT).  Kerry can take a step back, concede, and assume the election is over.  If it proves, two weeks from now, that Ohio has screwed up and that the certified total really does change the outcome -- which, everyone should realize, is very, very unlikely given these overall numbers -- then Kerry wins, whether he has "graciously conceded" or not.

    Personally, I do think there was quite a bit of fraud, but I don't think it was enough to change the outcome.  Florida is more odd, and I'd like to see recounts there perhaps even more than in Ohio.  Not because I think it would change the outcome, but because we need to have evidence that the system is working.

    There is no possible reason not to recount the votes.  After 2000, it would be a good exercise, either way, in determining whether the problems have been "fixed".

    But in-state Dems need to get off their asses and do it, and not wait for Kerry/Gore/Dean whoever to swoop down and rescue them.  For nationwide political reasons, they can't do that right now.

    •  I think, though (none / 1)

      that deal with "spoiled" votes wouldn't be automatic.  Someone has to take some kind of action to get the votes that were "spoiled" and therefore rejected looked at.  That automatic process only has to do with the provisional and absentee ballots.  It doesn't have anything to do with arguments that machines didn't tally the ballots correctly.
      •  Yes, it's not automatic. (none / 0)

        My understanding of Ohio law -- which is limited to what more knowledgable folks have been telling me -- is that it takes five people per county to request a recount, but the scope of the recount -- whether they would run it through the machines again, or hand-recount -- is unclear.  We need someone to clear that legal distinction up.

        But we need some Ohioans to step up and file the challenge, either way.  And so far I'm not hearing anyone has, which is just silly.

    •  Re: Ohio dems (none / 1)

      Why in the hell do you think every statewide office in Ohio is held by a Republican?  

      The Ohio party leadership has been asleep since Verne Riffe left.  

      That's why everyone in the US had better contribute time or money to the Jerry Springer for governor campaign.  Hey, if Arnold can win so can Jerry.  He is actually a very astute politician and I think he can win.  But he needs help from around the country.  

      Forget working on the Senate in O6.  If you want to help this country you had better get a democratic spine in Ohio.

      I hated Bush before it was cool.

      by daveriegel on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:50:48 PM PDT

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